How long for an engine swap?
 

im wondering how long it would take a decent mechanic to swap and engine?

im thinking of swapping my b20b with another b20b, but engine only no transmission...i wanna know whats fair to pay somebody for labour.

anyone with a good idea of time or cost?, thanks

the work is on a DA

a day bro, its easyyyyyyy man. straight swap with the right tools and hoist, your golden. Mechanics would charge $600+ i think, depends where you go of course. Set up a swap engine day or sumthin, i would be down to help you out

Yup, was part of one a while back. Just need one person who really knows what they're doing to guide everyone else and others just as a hand to drop it in and hook things up. Mechanics will probably be able to do it in about 6 hours, maybe less. 600-1000 is about right from my experience.

ya its not hard to do it with a few friends just rent a hoist

Ya you can probably get some of us to help out I wouldn't mind helpping out.

ok paul, i know im an ass..... sooooooooooo heres the comment you've been waiting for..............................








































































BRING ZIGGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lmao. Ziggy only works at home.

so far im thinking i might set up a swap day it would save me alot of money but i gotta find a hoist for a good price and before anything clean out my garage i have boxes and junk everywhere

it would be a great expirience if someones willing to put some time in and guide me and a few others thru it im pretty confident it can happen

i kno i can do it with time myself but with help and someone with knowledge of how dto do a swap it will be done quick

right now my car is at the mechanic shop and they r closed for can day tommorow but when i hear back again from the mechanic im gonna ask him how much to swap the engine and if he does it for less that 500 ill prolly let him do it but if its over 600 than fore sure im gonna tell him to drain all the fluids and tow it to my garage

also the engine im looking at online is from jdmengineland if i buy it i wonder if they deliver for free? lol

by the way thanks guys for offering help if everything goes thru you're invited to come...i remember acurate paul and nizmo from a small meet a while bac thanks for looking out guys

no worries man, let us kno:)

We are like one big family.

ya man let me know. i just did the swap myself a couple days ago. i definitely wasnt as well prepared but now i have pretty much all the tools youll need to get that sucker out. if youre renting a hoist anbd cant find a good place, princess auto sells them for mad cheap so just buy one of those and then sell it after, i wish i had known. im willing to help out so give me a shout whenever

Find a hoist and we'll all come down and help

I have an engine hoist :rolleyes:

Bam. Ti swap day # 2!!

i was waiting for someone to offer a hoist

scrider r u down to bring by the hoist?
i dont mind paying you for it...but then again princess auto aint a bad idea having my own hoist will inspire me to do more swaps after this one lol

as for tools i have a complete socket set and alot of other miscellaneous tools

i think im gonna start cleaning and organizing my garage today...
i wonder if i can make this swap happen this weekend i can prolly have the engine delivered friday i wonder how many ppl would be down on such short notice

my mechanic is closed today and the car locked up there so i gotta talk to him tommorow and see how much hes gonna ask to do it himself...im pretty sure hell charge over 600 which means im bringing the ride home and doing it myself but who knows maybe hes gonna hook it up
tommorow i will post for sure whether im doing it at home or letting the mechanic do it

heres a link for the engine i wanna pick up

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...dIdZ184407058#

what do you guys think will that engine workout fine? will i need anything else or am i forgetting something? i hope that engine comes with mounts and all that...from the blurry pic doesnt look like it has an alternator im also gonna have to keep my old intake maybe even dizzy i have a 90 ls dizzy and i think the one on that engine is a crv one dont know if it will plug into the harness...i just hope there isnt big mods to fit this engine in i already have a b20b in it so it should be straight forward

once again thanks everyone for the input if i do this swap at home which is likely i look forward to seeing everyone

ya if youre getting it from engineland theres no dizzy or alternator or mounts. thats where i got mine from. i paid 565 in total for it, but it came with the short manifold. for 450 plus tax you can get the motor with the giraffe mani and just swap out the one on your old b20 but youll need a new gasket most likely. if this is you're first swap, from experience, be prepared for seized bolts, your best friend is a prybar, and be prepared to spend some extra cash on new nuts and bolts from honda.

wow this is going to be harder than i thought im not too worried about the alternator or mani cause my alternator is fairly new and the mani i can just take off my old engine...the dizzy isnt a big deal i was just hoping to have an xtra one lying around but i was gonna use my old dizzy anyways cause it practically brand new...no mounts sucks ass and now that u mention seized bolts im kinda nervous...my integra rusty as ---- bolts r seized for sure i hope i can pick the engine up for 400 even without a mani i was hoping they wouldnt charge tax and i wont have to pay much for delivery but i guess your right im prolly looking at over 500 bucks to get what i need/want to my door

i was fully thinking everything thats in the pic is what id get for 400 including the dizzy and mani and i could swear theres one mount visible in the pic so i assumed they were included too...what a challenge!

does anyone know what i should be shopping for 90 integra motor mounts or 98 crv motor mounts???

i know mounts r important and they should always be changed when swapping...i just dont know if all b series mounts r good or i need specific ones? do i buy them for the motor or for the car?

im pretty sure u would use integra mounts. i just used my dc mounts and bolted them onto the b20, pretty sure its the same for the da

hey we go to the same place for engines, i just recently got a b20b from engineland cuz i needed to swap out my blown b18(bought it that way), its strong as hell and fired first time instantly.
and yeah, the b18 and b20 are practically identical, except if your original is american, the jdm doesnt have the crank sensor or knock sensor as well, also you should switch the thermostat because it comes from japan and its set to run really cool, you'll never get any heat outa your engine. mounts are good, and yea, hope it works out for ya :)

my rides still 1at the shop and i finally spoke to my mechanic himself not the yunger guys and he seems to have a good idea on what to do...hes been real busy so hasnt looked at my car much but he said the belt has definately slipped off and hes not sure if there was any damage to the motor. he mentioned he would just put a new belt on but he doesnt want to take any chances if the motor is wrecked...so he explained to me that when he gets some time he gonna take the rocker and a bunch of other things off in order to test the compression of each cylinder and if the compression is good he says its safe to just replace the belt. i wont hear ba from the mechanic till monday but i like his idea it would save me a lot of work and i wont have to waste a good motor if it is still good

so my garage is all cleaned up and ready to bring my car home but now my car might be safe after all...mechanic also asked me how i was driving when it broke down fast or slow and i explained that i was driving real slow i just left a stop sign and made it into 2nd gear if im lucky i was doing prolly 10km/h i hope this saved my motor i kno if it broke on the highway its most likely i bent valves n stuff but hopefully since i was driving slow nothing happened

so ya if it just needs the belt replaced im letting the mechanic do it but if it needs a swap shes coming home

ill keep everyone posted on what happens i hope it just needs a belt

Hey, yes I wouldn't mind lending it plus helping you out.
Also all mounts will work off your current motor. If you want to upgrade, buy the mounts for your Integra year.

Would suggest to replace water pump/timing belt since its a lot easier while its out of the car and would know exactly whens it due for replacement.

the b20 mount is slanted stock on the engine is it not? it was on my swap, the b20 just requires the mount on the head of the engine to swapped with the b18 mount. the mount with the 2 long nipple like things on the driver side of the motor.

The B20 and b18 are the same. B20 is just bored/sleeved b18.
Depending what you have and what you are getting you may need an adapter for the driver side mount. 2-3 bolt conversion plate.

so i finally towed the car home today and put it in my garage...

i went at it for an hour or 2 and got a lot of crap out the way gonna go bac to it soon and try to remove the ac components and hoses mite even take out the radiator thinking about replacing it with a new one

i tried to take the whole intake mani off but theres a bolt or 2 i cant get too i think i have to pulll the motor out with the intake mani on then take it off when its out of the car

im gonna post a pic or 2 later show my progress so far...
im gonna have to research how to hook up the motor and actuall pull it out...still dont know if im gonna buy a crane or maybe someone can bring one by lol

im gonna try to pull out as much as i can befor buying the new motor i dont wanna buy the motor and get stuck with taking the old one out and giving up

so ya might set up a swap day to put the new motor in i can use help from ppl who have done it b4 or r expirienced with this kinda thing
im working in a tite space wish i had more room

just keeping everyone posted ill show some pics later on tonite
thanx everyone for input

I have absolutely no exp in this at all, but i can come down and give you a hand with anything you need! I always wanted to learn how to do swaps my self.

Anyone up for a swap day meet? If so, ill write one up on the Meets section and we'll get enough guys to help out

For shureee

OP. Let us know when your best day. And if youre really down for it PM me your info and ill do it up!

im in for sure! i just hope it wont turn out like Pauls Integra, cause i ended up doing all the work!!! BAHAHAHA!

ha ha thanks guys

im almost ready to pull this motor out im in need of a crane/hoist now and i gotta pull out the shafts

i was gonna unbolt the tranny and leave it in there but now ppl r telling me pull it all out together then take the tranny off and bolt it to the new motor before putting the new motor in

if i can get a hold of a crane this weekend im pretty sure i can get it done...right now i have enuff money to buy a motor or a hoist but not both

ill have to wait till next weekend to buy both hoist and engine

4got to take pics will get some up today

i dont mind having a swap meet but with all honesty im not tryna turn it into a party i just need a few knowledgeable guys to help out...i know these swaps go smoother with fewer ppl i dont mind setting up a swap day but please i dont want 20 ppl showing up to this thing i think 10 ppl is already too much lol...keep in mind theres no room in my garage really theres just enuff space to walk around the car lol...i think im gonna be doing alotta work on the drive way

SCRIDER if u can bring up your hoist this weekend we just mite be able to give my DA her heart back...thanks everyone

Its not hard to do at all and with all these guys wanting to help it should be a breeze. The best thing I can advise is if you change the timing belt and water pump you might as well get a special bolt holder for the crankshaft pulley, that thing is a bitch if you do not have the tools. Brute strength is not enough.

---- a hoist, put a tire under ur car and drop it out from the bottom.

^^^^^+1

whoa that sounds lethal...can we use the same method to install it? lol

but if i drop it i think ill risk damaging the intake mani

im gonna see what else i can do today im having some trouble removing the clutch cable from the tranny

i took out some ac hoses yesterday mite find some new ones to replace them my ac mite finally work after...both hoses were punctured and i broke one in half because it was already cracked

im gonna buy a hoist if i have too just keep it for next swaps maybe try a civic with a d series...i was wondering if partsource lent them out i know they lend tools

I havn't done that before but I would love to help, if you set up a day and need an extra pair of hands PM me. :)

heres some pics

next step is pulling out the shafts

^^^^you weren't even there when i did the swap

I would love to help out with this it will be great to do it all over again...one thing that was hard was removing the axles I have the 1" 3/4 socket to remove them.

im trying to get the axle/ shaft out and i cant get the balljont loose prybar is almost there any tips?

so they engine is out and it wasnt easy

i forgot to unblot the shifter linkage both pieces and i pulled up on the engine a bit i hope i didnt bend up the linkage bad and i hiope it bolt back in good...i dunno if anyone else experienced this... i also forgot some bolts on the down pipe that held it to the engine i just undid the 3 bolts that connec the exhaust mani and thought it was enough

as for the ball joints wow i used a perfect tool i dunno what its called but its like a crow bar with a horse shoe for a tip worked bome i think its the only way to get it out the shafts came out like a breeze aswell

i hope dropping it in wont be hard but im thinking of replaceing alotta things now i want a new rad, some headers and maybe even a new tranny while im at it

i dunno but im buying a motor this week and psyced to put it in its gonna be a b20 for sure unlese i can get an original b18b for the same price i think id rather do that

I pulled out h22 out of a prelude today...Got to love the empty engine bay ;)

so im trying to clean up my tranny maybe paint it and pull it off the engine...

so far im having maaaaaad truble removing the speedometer cable from the tranny at least i think its the speedo cable i had to rip it out of my fire wall because it was so hectic and i was eager to get out the motor

the motor is out and on the ground and now i still cant pull out the speedo cable
does anyone have an idea how to remove the speedo cable? i cant see any bolt or nut holding it in place i assumed it was just a pull out plug i dunno its mad damaged now so i dont think i can use it again

another thing i wanted some input on is how to drop the new engine in...ill be getting the engine this week i ordered new energy suspension mounts and i have a few things to swap onto the new motor from the old one like alternater ac compressor etc

im wondering if its easier to drop the motor in complete with tranny intake mani alternater etc or will it be easier to add all the parts once the engines in

i worry that it will be too crowded if i build the engine first them put it in...when pulling the old engine out i had the intake mani taken off first which helped a lot

i dunno how has everone else done it? do u guys complete the motor first then drop it in or vice versa any tips would be appreciated

i have always put it in completely assembled bro. much easier that way. it will fit dont worry, just have to wiggle it in there

cool thats what i thought i think it was just a bit of a struggle pulling out because i forgot to unbolt the shifter linkage lol...hope i didnt break the linkage or bend it too hard i unbolted it last minute with the engine a bit in the air lol

i wonder if the new engine comes with the midshaft or else i gotta swap that over too

how bout cleaning/degreasing...im trying to get my tranny clean as possible there is sooooo much gunk on it enuff gunk to scrape off and vaccum

im thinking bout using extra brake cleaner i have to shine it up hope it wont damage it

how bout that speedo cable is it just something u pull out or is there some sort of locking mechanism lol

dont use brake cleaner.....simple green works great! spray it on and hose it off...or take toothbrush with the simple green and get into every crack

definantly complete the engine. and the speedo cable was stuck? lol thats just another thing u gota wait for. did u try flat head screwdriver? it usually solved all my clip or plug problems. try that next time :P and remember for the back mount, like towads the middle of the car or under the intake mani, to put it on BEFORE you do drop in the engine, and let the engine fit in there, otherwise u gota take out the engine cuz its guna be too tight a space for it to fit behind the engine once its in there. good luck with the engine tho, hope it runs like mine did when i got it, started on a dime :)

Install complete. Much easier to allign it in.

ok so i took my tranny of the old engine and bolted it up to the new one...

i installed the clutch and flywheel on the new motor but i didnt use an alignment tool it seemed to onli bolt on if it was aligned right i dunno i just hope its ok the clutch and flywheel looked ok...i also realized the motor i bought has an auto tranny on it previously i was kinda scared thinking i couldnt use it with my standard tranny... i kno im a noob

so few things im stuck with is the friggin speedo cable!!! i cant rip that sucker outta the tranny its stuck in good i even tried pulling crazy by the cable

the other dilemma is the exhaust mani the pipe that came on my b20 doesnt seem to have an o2 sensor or b compatible with my car at all...this means i have to use my shitty old exhaust mani off the old motor and that explains why my exhaust mani is sooo rusted up its more than likely oringal from 1990

the other dilema is the new short intake mani that came with the motor i thik i can use it but the throttle thats on it now i dont think i can use so i gotta swap over my old dirty ass throttle bottle onto the new intake mani...the guys at jdmenineland mentioned i couldnt use the new throttl because it has a map sensor...

i havent tried to put my old mounts on the new motor but for some reason i have a feeling they wont bolt on right and me passenger side tranny mount has the rubber inside it completely seperated from the mount i dont know how that happened

so i wanna leave the ac compressor off the new motor but im starting to think if i do that something wont work right like for sure ill have an engine light or somethin...if i leave the speedo unplugged will that cause an engine light?...i hate engine lights

i dunno still minor things left to do i hope i drop this bad boy in the car tommroro or saturday and i hope there isnt too many more headaches...it hasnt been bad so far but to do things right u need good space and lots of money lol my garage is sooo tite ryte now i have a jacked up DA 2 motors and a shop crane tucked in their not to mention bolts and miscellaneous parts all over the floor

i need a hook up on headers headers that will fit my o2 sensor i am disgusted at my old exhaust mani

try a reputable honda acura tuner before a general mechanic

speedo cable is easy to remove as long as you remove the metal clip that hides behind the rubber boot. it should slide out once that is removed.

Just clean your throttle body, get a new gasket and assemble it.

Regarding AC removal, you can just leave it off, no engine lights or anything will go on, nothing to worry about.

Though if you leave the speedo cable off, it will throw you a check engine light and may cause limp mode. [Happened to me, would stop at 4k rpm]

so started her up today and shes good well seemes good i got the engine light on after a few seconds but maybe its jsut the speedo cable...i hope its just the cable everything seems fine she even idles real nice didnt test drive it because i have a real screwed up lower ball joint and it need to be replaced bad the nut wont go on the threads are all mangled and its loose so im just gonna pop a new one on tommoro after work after i buy a new one and hopefully she goes fine

didnt test out any gears or nothing so im just hoping everything was set up right like my clutch tranny etc it feels good to have it running started on the first attempt just that engine light

quick question if it is my speedo cable, the reason the light goes on what is limp mode exactly

when scrider says it goes in limp mode and stops at 4k does the car stop and shut down or does the rpm guage stop and go to zero having the car stall at 4k cant be healthy so if thats the case i gotta fix the cable asap

please clarify whats "limp mode" sorry im a noob

That's great that the car starts and everything seems okay. The car will run it just won't go over 4000 rpm but it shouldn't stall.

so the new balljoints on and the teg is back on the road... bad news is its running pretty ----, it goes into everygear and everything works but when i try to maintain a consistant speed it starts to hesitate hard and casue bad stuttering and if i let the rpms drop under 2 say when in higher gears the vibrations and bogging is horrendous

i wanna check my engine light for codes but i think my cars too old to do so... i have an obd2 reader but i dunt see no wheere to plug it into

i have a loose fuel injector plug and when i disconect it the car idle much better and might even run better havent tried

if im in neutral idleing and i try to rev the car up to say 1.5k rpms it will bounce up and down an rpm or two consitantly like vroom vroom vroom vroom real fast but when i pull one injector plug off it revs fine i can hold it at 1.5krpm running smoothly no abruptness

maybe the car is not getting enough air like in the intake mani my old intake mani was very different from the one thats on now there was an extra output on the back off it i had to makeshift some thing to get all the hoses connected i should take a pic maybe someone can spot an error

im thinking off gettin a proper adapter to make the one output on the intake mani into 2 outputs

i dunno cant complain at least she works and isnt overheating...smells smokey tho maybe its my o2 sensor

maybe ill make it to the nex meet and someone can help lol

another thing i forgot to mention is i used the new fuel rail that came with the new intake mani but i had to use my old fuel injectors because the new ones didnt plug into the harness or wires

i cleaned my old injectors and put the new orings and the inserts from the top in my old injectors because it gave it a tighter fit in the new mani/rail

i dunno i have a feeling its something to do with the injectors

and i thought of something else just now i didnt swap over my iacv from my old intake mani onto the new one maybe thats a problem

and by the way i left the speedo cable ripped out and it isnt in limp mode it stretches way over 4k rpms lol