Heel Toe Racing technique for street?
03-19-2011, 08:58 AM
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Heel Toe Racing technique for street?
Anyone find or even use the heel toe technique (used in racing) on the street while driving ie. for corners? find it useful.
I tried it and found it pretty cool, was able to rev match, just want to know if anyone actually uses it.
I tried it and found it pretty cool, was able to rev match, just want to know if anyone actually uses it.
03-19-2011, 07:23 PM
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just because it's a racing technique doesn't meet I am speeding or putting anyone in danger. I usually don't do this but after trying it (in a 60 zone) I found I was able to keep the car balanced and exit the corner smoother then if I were to simply downshift or even popping it in neutral and using the brakes. when clutch is engaged the engine is idling and usually getting it back in gear causes it to buck. I would expect the bucking to have an impact on the transmission and the clutch in the long run.
03-19-2011, 10:59 PM
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hmmmm I actually used this technique once on the road...It happen so quick didn't even realize I did it...I was doing the speed limit *cough cough* and I needed to make a pretty sharp right and I ended heel toeing helped me out a bit that time. But I never used it before then or after don't see the need to on a street...track by all means.
03-20-2011, 06:52 PM
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I've been driving every day for the past 5-6 years and I heel-toe with nearly EVERY downshift. I started off just practicing cause back then I had just started getting into tracking and autocross. It just became a natural thing and I now do it without even thinking. It's not like I rev the snot out of my car every time I slow down... I keep the revs at normal driving revs, but just give a little "blip". During racing of course, it's a little more extreme, but the action/reaction is the same.
There are several reasons why I think it's good.
#1. It teaches you how to heel-toe and do it smoothly. The more you do it the better/smoother you get at it.
#2. It helps save you clutch and transmission. By matching the engine rpm with the input shaft rpm, when you let the clutch engage there is very little to no clutch slipping and no jarring or jerking. Everything is in sync and operates smoothly, thus, less wear and tear on the components. (as long as you do it correctly of course)
#3. If you drive a manual you should be down shifting and not just using the brakes anyways. EVERY fuel injected engine with manual transmission burns ZERO fuel while in gear with zero throttle input (decelerating). So by using engine braking, your burning less fuel and saving your brakes.
You don't have to be "racing" to heel-toe.
There are several reasons why I think it's good.
#1. It teaches you how to heel-toe and do it smoothly. The more you do it the better/smoother you get at it.
#2. It helps save you clutch and transmission. By matching the engine rpm with the input shaft rpm, when you let the clutch engage there is very little to no clutch slipping and no jarring or jerking. Everything is in sync and operates smoothly, thus, less wear and tear on the components. (as long as you do it correctly of course)
#3. If you drive a manual you should be down shifting and not just using the brakes anyways. EVERY fuel injected engine with manual transmission burns ZERO fuel while in gear with zero throttle input (decelerating). So by using engine braking, your burning less fuel and saving your brakes.
You don't have to be "racing" to heel-toe.
03-21-2011, 09:32 AM
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by practicing on the streets, doesnt mean you have to be going fast. you learn how to do it properly, and you learn experience for when you will have to use it. and using the heel toe technique, it's not for "racing" through the city streets.
agreeing with MPR's post!
03-21-2011, 10:50 AM
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Praticing a racing technique isn't cool on the streets, that's like me saying I'm going to pratice drifting. Wtf?
If u have done it before and are some what experianced on country or empty roads... Then fine. But to practice on public streets is stupid. What happens if something goes wrong, are you still going to have the same "pro" attitude towards it? I don't think so.
If u have done it before and are some what experianced on country or empty roads... Then fine. But to practice on public streets is stupid. What happens if something goes wrong, are you still going to have the same "pro" attitude towards it? I don't think so.
03-21-2011, 11:35 AM
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It shouldn't be fully considered a "racing technique" you don't have to be driving like a dumbass to do it. If you downshift is that considered a racing technique? All heel toe is doing is simply pivoting your brake foot to "blip" the gas for a split second to rev match while you downshift. So unless you consider downshifting racing, I would consider this purely racing. Yes I understand it's used at the track but generally it's a good idea to just rev match to be easier on the clutch.
03-21-2011, 11:52 AM
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How the *** is heel-toe a racing technique? Its a skill and a very useful one. I do it all the time, and im not racing...*rolls eyes*
Coming to a light or a corner, why brake from further away or rev match from greater distance, when you can do both at the same time and brake in shorter distance. How about downshifting coming to a light? everybody does it, dont you? and while downshifting dont you brake? well if you do then its the same damn thing. Ryan, stop being an old grump...
Coming to a light or a corner, why brake from further away or rev match from greater distance, when you can do both at the same time and brake in shorter distance. How about downshifting coming to a light? everybody does it, dont you? and while downshifting dont you brake? well if you do then its the same damn thing. Ryan, stop being an old grump...
03-21-2011, 12:36 PM
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It is a driving technique that is also used in racing. It's not purely a "racing technique".
If you can do it right it actually makes for smoother deacceleration and down shifting vs just letting out the clutch and letting it "drag" the engine's rpm up to match the next lower gear. It also puts less wear and tear on the clutch and transmission.
You don't have to be going mach 5 to use the technique, you just have to be in any situation where down shifting is necessary. Whether that be on a track going much faster, or on the street deaccelerating normally.
If you can do it right it actually makes for smoother deacceleration and down shifting vs just letting out the clutch and letting it "drag" the engine's rpm up to match the next lower gear. It also puts less wear and tear on the clutch and transmission.
You don't have to be going mach 5 to use the technique, you just have to be in any situation where down shifting is necessary. Whether that be on a track going much faster, or on the street deaccelerating normally.
03-21-2011, 04:20 PM
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Read the title morons.... Racing technique *rollseyes*
Oh btw, I'm holding drift-o racing events at the corner of dixie and dundas... Who wants to join? Since drifting isn't a racing technique that should be just fine....right?
Oh btw, I'm holding drift-o racing events at the corner of dixie and dundas... Who wants to join? Since drifting isn't a racing technique that should be just fine....right?
03-21-2011, 10:29 PM
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All i will say is use at own discretion, stock pedals and street shoes don't grip like their racing setup counterparts, and if that foot slips while you're being fancy you're up ***** creek lol.
I like the technique though, i honestly do see value in having it learnt, just under safe and controlled situations.
I like the technique though, i honestly do see value in having it learnt, just under safe and controlled situations.
03-22-2011, 09:00 AM
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So, just because the OP coined it as a "racing technique" makes it exactly that and nothing else? That's hilarious.
You need to come for a ride with me at the next meet and I'll show how it is a "driving technique" that is easily used on the street, without racing and revving the bag off the engine.
Most people don't do it on the street because most people don't even know about it. It's very beneficial for a street driving technique and you do not NEED to be racing to perform it. I don't think you understand, we're not saying to come flying up to corners or stop lights braking at the last second and ripping down through the gears... No, you slow down as you would normally and implement the technique so you match the rpm in a more gentle and subtle manor.
It may have been originally developed for racing, but it is not JUST for racing. Nor does it imply that you must be racing when you use the technique.
03-22-2011, 01:17 PM
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I always heel to toe..it's just better for the car. Makes driving smoother, and feels awesome when you get the revs to match perfectly. For example if im going 60 in 5th, ill drop it into second before a right turn, and heel to toe so that the acceleration after the turn is smooth.
I never knew that cars take no gas when decelerating..I though shooting the revs up meant more gas but I was okay with it.
I never knew that cars take no gas when decelerating..I though shooting the revs up meant more gas but I was okay with it.
03-23-2011, 01:49 PM
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^Ha... "help martin get a saab" fund? At this rate you'll be putting his kids through college... :P
Snow is getting worse, up here at least. Going to switch back to the snows for another week. This sucks...lol. Meh, only takes 5 mins to swap them.
Snow is getting worse, up here at least. Going to switch back to the snows for another week. This sucks...lol. Meh, only takes 5 mins to swap them.
03-23-2011, 02:49 PM
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03-26-2011, 03:04 PM
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why do people bitch at other people about "keep it to the track" thats BULLSHIT! you all lie! not a single mother ****** on here can honestly say they NEVER giver ---- sometimes with another random guy on the street or rip in and out of traffic on the highway just for ***** and giggles.... end of rant lol
03-26-2011, 09:36 PM
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why do people bitch at other people about "keep it to the track" thats BULLSHIT! you all lie! not a single mother ****** on here can honestly say they NEVER giver ---- sometimes with another random guy on the street or rip in and out of traffic on the highway just for ***** and giggles.... end of rant lol
03-26-2011, 10:39 PM
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^^^^ hmmmm ya I love to give the Teg a nice boot lol. Chased down a 350z today that was fun lol.
But it all depends what the car is used for really, like for an example I got my Teg which is a car I drive maybe just on weekends, so I love to give it to it a bit. But when I am driving it somewhere by myself I'm usually just taking it easy going 110-120kmh max on highways. When I drive my accord well I drive like any other normal person.
But it all depends what the car is used for really, like for an example I got my Teg which is a car I drive maybe just on weekends, so I love to give it to it a bit. But when I am driving it somewhere by myself I'm usually just taking it easy going 110-120kmh max on highways. When I drive my accord well I drive like any other normal person.
03-28-2011, 08:31 AM
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Kia has come a hell of a long way, and they're trying very hard to change their image. Their cars today are very competitive both with features, pricing, and style. Hyundai's doing well too, the Korean car giant seems to know what the market wants these days.
It's just a matter of time before they change the perception of "cheap and unreliable Korean econobox" in the minds of consumers and they'll be right up there.
It's just a matter of time before they change the perception of "cheap and unreliable Korean econobox" in the minds of consumers and they'll be right up there.
03-29-2011, 06:53 AM
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i work for kia now, and trust me guys.... them and hyundia are going to be the next "Honda/Toyota". Great product, awesome warrenty and stylistic qualities that consumers actually want.
03-30-2011, 10:14 AM
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03-30-2011, 11:17 AM
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yeah maybe, but it will take a long time, and i dont see Honda/Toyota going anywhere..plus for some reason I noticed Chinese people hate Hyundai and Kia, they only buy Japanese or German...