Mike935

Hey fellas,
did some research and couldn't find out if the Basics are dampening adjustible, so i decided to ask here! Anyways does anyone have them on their DC2's???
if so how do you guys like them, im split between the Omni powers or Tein basics. Not sure what to go for,
Thanks!!!

SMOOTHE

The research and R&D that has gone into Tein is way more than Omni. There have been problems with Omni in the past but i believe they have corrected them. Another option would be PIC. I heard good things about them.
These guys carry them:
www.--------.com

Mike935

thanks a bunch,
i've hear about the Omni's shock blowing due to daily driving?
Anyways do you know if the tein basics are dampening adjustible? and is it possible to add the EDFC? (well if they are adjustible i guess so...haha)

Thanks again!
TI is always knowledgeable!

Buff4Prez Yo

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Tein Basics are NOT dampening adjustable. hense why they're called basics. if you want ones that are dampening adjustable you'd have to get the Tein SS. I have them on my DA and i'm quite happy with them.

Like Smoothe said, look in to getting PIC's. they have a model that have adjustable dampening and a model that doesn't. i believe you aslo get a choice of spring rates too.

JDMcb7

i have tein basics on my accord.. love them compared to my koni/sportline setup

Mike935

Im going to look into the PIC's...
i've dealt with -------- many of times, they are all good ppl there
is the product line called "PIC" or are they the "Megan"?
thanks

its me.. mario

the brand is PIC

Solid GSR YO

They are called PIC, look in the sponsors section if you can

Dumpgears

May I suggest these?

http://progressauto.com/store/produc...roducts_id=457

I've owned them for more than a year, and had them on my car for 6 months....Honestly, never had rubbing issues, even when I really slammed it. I find these much better than Pic and Omni, and they get a lot lower than Tein Basics. The shock is really durable, since they are the stage II, they can handle up to 18K (1000lb/in) spring rates, and Progress will make you custom spring rates if you choose to have something other than 350/250.

If you wanna know a bit about quality, why don't you check where all these have been made?

PICs are made in Taiwan, and last time I checked, the rest are US made.

Now compare the prices.

Royboy

PIC stands for Performance In Control. They have 2 models, one has adjustable dampening, and one does not. The ones that do are called the selects. You also can choose between 3 different spring rate combos. If I had to replace my koni yellow and ground control set up it would be with the PIC's

Reza

The f2 type 2 is what im saving up for. whatever you do don't get omni's

engsr

Have you had the PICs or Omnis on your car to actual do a real technical comparison or are you basing your opinion on hear-say, price, and where they're manufacturered? How is this for American quality:



It has taken Omni several attempts to get their coilovers to a point such that they're not breaking as shown above.

There are many sponsored PIC drivers that use their coilovers on the track, and actual drive their cars to the max. I've never heard of any PIC coilovers breaking under intense stress and strain, unlike said Omni. Progress - I don't know, I've never heard of them so I will not comment on them.

From personal experience, I've use my PICs on some real shitty parking lots (most notably the Autoslalom Nationals back in August) and the coilovers did not show any signs of stress, wear, etc. They're still in mint condition ready for more action this year.

Secondly, as everyone should know, the rubbing issue is not directly related to the coilover itself - most of that has to do with the wheel offset and the tire size. If either of those are incorrect, you will have rubbing issues regardless of which coilover/suspension you use.

PIC coilovers have R&D that's top-down, meaning, their sponsor drivers are part of the development process. Also, their coilovers are extensively tested during the prototype stages to ensure that they will not produce a defective product.

Also, I've never heard of people having issues with PIC's customer relations department. The company are very friendly people that are more than willing to help you get what you want for your car and your driving skill-set, and not just interested in selling a product. I believe Markpa was given a really good reply to his question to PIC - it provided a lot of good insight.

Lastly, prices have NOTHING to do with the product itself. Just because you pay a lot or very little doens't mean the product is good/bad. Most of the time, you're just paying for the name. And just because it's a mad tite jDM brand (like Tein) doesn't mean it's a superior product to anything else.

Please note, however, that my opinion could be interpreted as slightly biased as I am sponsored by -------- as they provided me a set PICs for competition use. But I don't hardpark - I actually drive my cars, so I can say that under competition circumstances, the PICs hold their own, and I'm sure that my comment is very similar to the other competitive drivers in the US running on these coilovers as well.

I also have had several other great drivers drive my car and comment on how well the car is set-up yet they're confused when I tell them about PIC. I don't know any other driver on this board that uses their car in competition surrounds that can actually make a comment about their coilover - most of the guys here aren't into it - they're basing their opinion on daily, and I'll tell you right now that daily driving on my set-up SUCKS.

Dumpgears

I was never a fan of omni coilovers....ever, I will have to agree with you.

My experience with omni and pic had been by driving other peoples cars, with stock suspension components, other than coilovers, and all on Michelin XGT V tires with 195/55/15 sizing.

As with my progress, I've drivin under harsh conditions and beaten down and them and never had an issue. Shocks didn't blow, the sleeve doesn't budge (I've heard twice about megan coilovers lowering themselves cuz the sleeve would keep sliding down and not locking properly).

I'm not saying the PIC are bad, they are good, but I'm just saying for that price, the progress are a better buy IMO.

As for the rubbing issue, yes it is all about tire and offset, and wheel sizing that has everything to do with it, but with firmer shocks, you can decrease that when on low setting. I ran 195/55/15's and dropped the car 3" and still didn't rub. Whereas I had a friend who did that with his omni's and he messed up his tires.

As for the issue with competition use, I don't solely drive my car daily, I di take it to a parking lot and do some hard sharp turns occasionally, however I haven't put in my full setup last year so I never got around to going into any real events yet. For daily driving, the progress ain't bad, a bit better then pic and omni IMO, for some reason it's the rebound or something on these that doens't make the ride too too bumpy. But, as with most coilover sets...you should know coilovers are not made for DD at all :\ Even though we all do it :P

The progress are actually are quite popular, you just don't hear the name often enough. If you check sites like ClubRSX, everyone knows about these, same goes with scions guys and a few subbie owners. A few race cars running with compeition II setups that you might recognize:








^everyone should of at least heard of the hasport K20 boosted civic...

SMOOTHE

pac mall-$200.

/thread.

VinceTEC

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WHAT?!

*runs to Pac Mall before the sale's over*

Smartass pHO

The ebay ones are even cheaper

engsr

Just out of curiousity, did your friends' cars have the exact same car with the exact same spring rates as your EL and 450/650 set-up? Because if they didn't, your comparison gets thrown out the window because every car will react differently even if it's the same model car, tires, spring rates, etc.

Secondly, I noticed that the progress coilovers do not utilize solid pillowball mounts - at least, from what I can see in this picture:



Those look like the OEM Honda top hats. If so, that's another reason why your ride could be "better" than the PICs - PICs use solid aluminum pillowball mounts, and you feel every damn pebble in the road with pillowballs - I ------- hate that.

But again, how exactly are you comparing these set-ups and what circumstances are you considering when determining your results? If it helps, I know 2 other guys that have the same car as myself with pretty much the same suspension set-ups. All of our FTD slalom times (at several events) were within less than 3 tenths of a second. But that doesn't mean that the faster guy has the best set-up - again, it's all personal preferencing.

So unless you're able to use other coilovers with the exact same spring rates and perform extensive testing with the different set-ups on the exact same car, you can't undoubtely say that one product is "better" than another. Each will have their own traits that will make one think "This is better because ... " but that's about it. Yeah, of course it will definitely come down to personal preference and I'm not trying to contest your appreciation for Progress - you like them, I'm cool with that - but you can't insinuate that other brands are inferior based on their location of manufacturer or MSRP when that has absolutely nothing to do with anything, or when you cannot provide extensive research, testing, and results of the compared products under controlled circumstances.

Mike935

wow!
lots of discussion here...
Now i have a couple of ppl that can vouch that the Omnis are close to ----, what i am looking for is a coilover system that can be driven on the street and have the performance ready for track days, i seldom drive my car but would like to have the confidance that i will not blow the shock on toronto streets!

So brands i should look into are "PIC" and "Progress" and "Tien"?
P.S. im more for quality rather that where the part is manufactured, however in some cases, the two go hand in hand

Thanks for the much input TI !!!

WildoutWhiteGSR

PIC Performance hands down. If you really want me to go to great length and detail I can.

I also do have extensive use with the PIC coilovers.

Mike935

all i need to know fellas,

I have had many ppl say that Teins / Buddy Club / Megan and so on are amazing, however "ensgr" brings up a good point, many of my buddies do not drive integras and the ride quality differs from car to car, what i was looking for was some further input on quality suspension for DC2's that will not bankrupt me too much.

THANKS AGAIN TI !!!

engsr

All coilover systems have quality attached to them, aside from the aforementioned Omni Power. And again, don't be fooled by the whole pricing thing - more expensive doesn't mean better, and cheaper doesn't mean inferior. You'll have to use your own judgement and base your decision on what you think is right.

So my question is - what are you looking for in a coilover? What will be its main purpose? Give me some ideas of what you plan to do with your car and hopefully I can offer some things to look for when you're deciding.

Mike935

very true,
as a parts guy i can absolutely agree...
To be honest, i've been waiting for some feedback on a good suspension setup, however most ppl i come across believe that their suspension is the best out there, but not experiencing other brands...

What i am looking for in suspension is an adjustible hight (1.8 - 2'' drop) and dampening control as well as longevity in the shock,
i will be installing a thicker rear sway bar (23mm type r) with lower control arms and the ASR subframe reinforcement kit

question, i do not have the type r lower control arms, but inoreder to install a thicker rear sway bar (23mm typr r) off the R models, do i have to purchase the aftermarket control arms and coilover system FOR an integra R?
in short, i do more driving on the public roads than on the tracks as do many of the members here do,

thanks for all the info guys/girls!

its me.. mario

Installing a 23mm type-r rear swaybar does not require you to also install the ITR rear lower LCA's. you can use your stock GS/LS/GSR control arms and use the same mounting points even with the asr brace installed.

WildoutWhiteGSR

The list of coilovers I have experience with

Hayame's similar to Omni, similiar to D2's, Ksports, Function & Forms etc

Koni Yellow's on cheap springs, and neuspeeds

PICS

stock shocks on coilover sleeves

Tokico Coilovers

out of all of them, the PICS are by far the best.

You also gotta remember, full coilovers will always work better than shocks and springs/sleeves that are made seperate.

Also the PIC coilovers have a local distributor in Toronto, so if you ever want to get warrenty work done, or swap springs to a different rate, etc. Your not paying for shipping and have long downtime on your car. Especially if it's a daily driver.

Also the stiffer the spring rate, the less work the bigger rear sway bar has to do. Which means less of a chance of rear subframe tearout.