lowering soon, need advice
05-05-2010, 08:06 AM
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lowering soon, need advice
I just bought some eibach sportlines. I don't know what kind of shocks to get just yet, any ideas?
Also I may need a walk-through on doing this My parents are going to be gone for a weekend soon,and I am going to steal my dads tools to put the springs in. I have done my old neons springs before so I have some experience... tips and pointers?
Also I may need a walk-through on doing this My parents are going to be gone for a weekend soon,and I am going to steal my dads tools to put the springs in. I have done my old neons springs before so I have some experience... tips and pointers?
05-05-2010, 08:38 AM
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I'm looking to do the same... just can't decide on coil-overs or springs, as I heard with coil-overs, you need to also replace the shocks, otherwise the ride will be ridiculously bumpy and can also ruin your rims.
I've found Skunk2 Springs online for like 200.00 and my mechanic will install for 200.00.
I've found Skunk2 Springs online for like 200.00 and my mechanic will install for 200.00.
05-05-2010, 08:41 AM
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05-05-2010, 04:33 PM
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Koni is currently having their annual 25% off shocks promotion at the moment. Thought you might want to know. Check out their site, the promotion only applies to koni orange, red, and yellow.
DAMN CHEAP for Koni's I must say.
DAMN CHEAP for Koni's I must say.
05-05-2010, 09:48 PM
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if your doing a drop of anything substantial, i strongly suggest adjustable front and rear upper control arms. (chamber kit) also the koni's are an awesome way to go. my friend has a set on his car and he loves them. i personally went for the skunk2 adjustable coilover kit (a little bumpy, but its not bad)
and get an alignment after your done.
and get an alignment after your done.
05-06-2010, 09:19 PM
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They should... you have to remember that when you use a spring, and strut combo you will limited height adjustability compared to coilovers.
However, I can guarantee you that Koni makes some of the best shocks/struts in the world, on par to Bilstein, Ohlins, Moltons, etc.
People will say, coilovers are way better than shock and spring combos because of the adjustability. Yes that is true, if the coilovers were "better" than Koni, why don't they offer a limited lifetime warranty?
But I digress, with the Koni's, when you take them out of their packaging you will notice that on the shock body there are grooves, 3 on the front, and 2 on the rear. With those grooves you will be able to adjust the height of the car with that. In the front, the middle groove is stock height, and for the rears the top one is stock height. B/c you are running 17's I would suggest that you use the lowest grooves b/c the 17's will raise the height of your ride a little bit due to the larger diameter.
I hope that answers your question.
However, I can guarantee you that Koni makes some of the best shocks/struts in the world, on par to Bilstein, Ohlins, Moltons, etc.
People will say, coilovers are way better than shock and spring combos because of the adjustability. Yes that is true, if the coilovers were "better" than Koni, why don't they offer a limited lifetime warranty?
But I digress, with the Koni's, when you take them out of their packaging you will notice that on the shock body there are grooves, 3 on the front, and 2 on the rear. With those grooves you will be able to adjust the height of the car with that. In the front, the middle groove is stock height, and for the rears the top one is stock height. B/c you are running 17's I would suggest that you use the lowest grooves b/c the 17's will raise the height of your ride a little bit due to the larger diameter.
I hope that answers your question.
05-07-2010, 02:29 AM
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since you gonna be riding on 17's with a drop you'll definitely have to use a camber kit unless u wanna burn through tires. I'm waiting on some cash cuz to get the springs, front camber plus labour is gonna cost me bout 600. Idk if thats worth a drop.
05-07-2010, 06:45 AM
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Stacey the 17's will fit. Just when it comes to doing installing the the rear springs, the rear control arm bolts that hold the control arm very well could be seized in the bushing on both the inner and outer bolts. The bolt the hold the strut to the control arm does the same thing, so get ready for it, because they mite be like that, and if they arm, your going to need a torch to heat the bolt up to try to get it out. The worse case is you have to cut the bolt heads and the nuts off and then replace them with all new hard ware.
05-07-2010, 07:06 PM
#20
I think shes sticking to a strut and spring combo. Theres nothing wrong with that. Preference for some.
I suggest buying new bolts for the rear LCA's. The chances of breaking those are alot higher then the ones in the front
I suggest buying new bolts for the rear LCA's. The chances of breaking those are alot higher then the ones in the front
05-08-2010, 12:09 AM
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ill put in my two cents i just installed these there the function type ones and im riding on 17 so you can use this as a ref sorry for the bad pic its from my iphone and its been raining so i cant go outside and take a good pic
05-08-2010, 12:27 AM
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They should... you have to remember that when you use a spring, and strut combo you will limited height adjustability compared to coilovers.
However, I can guarantee you that Koni makes some of the best shocks/struts in the world, on par to Bilstein, Ohlins, Moltons, etc.
People will say, coilovers are way better than shock and spring combos because of the adjustability. Yes that is true, if the coilovers were "better" than Koni, why don't they offer a limited lifetime warranty?
But I digress, with the Koni's, when you take them out of their packaging you will notice that on the shock body there are grooves, 3 on the front, and 2 on the rear. With those grooves you will be able to adjust the height of the car with that. In the front, the middle groove is stock height, and for the rears the top one is stock height. B/c you are running 17's I would suggest that you use the lowest grooves b/c the 17's will raise the height of your ride a little bit due to the larger diameter.
I hope that answers your question.
However, I can guarantee you that Koni makes some of the best shocks/struts in the world, on par to Bilstein, Ohlins, Moltons, etc.
People will say, coilovers are way better than shock and spring combos because of the adjustability. Yes that is true, if the coilovers were "better" than Koni, why don't they offer a limited lifetime warranty?
But I digress, with the Koni's, when you take them out of their packaging you will notice that on the shock body there are grooves, 3 on the front, and 2 on the rear. With those grooves you will be able to adjust the height of the car with that. In the front, the middle groove is stock height, and for the rears the top one is stock height. B/c you are running 17's I would suggest that you use the lowest grooves b/c the 17's will raise the height of your ride a little bit due to the larger diameter.
I hope that answers your question.
05-08-2010, 12:41 PM
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If that's the case do Koni Yellows/GC coils, perfect balance of height and DD performance. And seriously guys/gals, don't try and cheap out and just get LCA bolts, they more than likely WILL be hardened to the inner bushing shim. Don't bother get them pressed out and new bushings pressed in. Get new LCAs they will save you so much time it's so worth it, plus they're built for lowering the rear, otherwise stock RLCAs normally give you stupid camber.
Another tip, once you install the new RLCAs, wait to torque them to the subframe brace until the car sits on the ground or you'll destroy the bushings faster.
GL!
Another tip, once you install the new RLCAs, wait to torque them to the subframe brace until the car sits on the ground or you'll destroy the bushings faster.
GL!
05-10-2010, 05:40 AM
#26
As mentioned above koni yellows are one of the best struts in the world. I can give few reasons why struts/springs are better than coilovers, especially for street use or even racing. There is just so much to suspension, it would take days if not weeks to write up.
Anyways, eibach springs have a low spring rating which allows you to use stock dampers with those springs without blowing them out. If anybody disagrees, please feel free to comement with valid information.
Ofcourse an upgraded damper will feel nicer and stiffer around bends but it IS safe to use stock.
As for install, as Jason said, the rear lower control arm bolts may be seized. I've seen quite the number of cars with bolts that came out like butter, and then some that didn't. An impact gun really helps the situation. Soaking the bushings/bolts in penetrating lube will make your life a little easier.
Hope this helps
Anyways, eibach springs have a low spring rating which allows you to use stock dampers with those springs without blowing them out. If anybody disagrees, please feel free to comement with valid information.
Ofcourse an upgraded damper will feel nicer and stiffer around bends but it IS safe to use stock.
As for install, as Jason said, the rear lower control arm bolts may be seized. I've seen quite the number of cars with bolts that came out like butter, and then some that didn't. An impact gun really helps the situation. Soaking the bushings/bolts in penetrating lube will make your life a little easier.
Hope this helps