Heel Toe Racing technique for street?
 

Anyone find or even use the heel toe technique (used in racing) on the street while driving ie. for corners? find it useful.

I tried it and found it pretty cool, was able to rev match, just want to know if anyone actually uses it.

If you heel toe on the street, your an idiot. Public roads are no place to pratice "racing" lines or heel toe my friend

just because it's a racing technique doesn't meet I am speeding or putting anyone in danger. I usually don't do this but after trying it (in a 60 zone) I found I was able to keep the car balanced and exit the corner smoother then if I were to simply downshift or even popping it in neutral and using the brakes. when clutch is engaged the engine is idling and usually getting it back in gear causes it to buck. I would expect the bucking to have an impact on the transmission and the clutch in the long run.

I understand, but racing technique, belongs on a racing track only.....not the street.

hmmmm I actually used this technique once on the road...It happen so quick didn't even realize I did it...I was doing the speed limit *cough cough* and I needed to make a pretty sharp right and I ended heel toeing helped me out a bit that time. But I never used it before then or after don't see the need to on a street...track by all means.

I practice heel toe driving all the time. never really considered it a "racing technique". it was just the way i learned to drive

I've been driving every day for the past 5-6 years and I heel-toe with nearly EVERY downshift. I started off just practicing cause back then I had just started getting into tracking and autocross. It just became a natural thing and I now do it without even thinking. It's not like I rev the snot out of my car every time I slow down... I keep the revs at normal driving revs, but just give a little "blip". During racing of course, it's a little more extreme, but the action/reaction is the same.

There are several reasons why I think it's good.

#1. It teaches you how to heel-toe and do it smoothly. The more you do it the better/smoother you get at it.

#2. It helps save you clutch and transmission. By matching the engine rpm with the input shaft rpm, when you let the clutch engage there is very little to no clutch slipping and no jarring or jerking. Everything is in sync and operates smoothly, thus, less wear and tear on the components. (as long as you do it correctly of course)

#3. If you drive a manual you should be down shifting and not just using the brakes anyways. EVERY fuel injected engine with manual transmission burns ZERO fuel while in gear with zero throttle input (decelerating). So by using engine braking, your burning less fuel and saving your brakes.

You don't have to be "racing" to heel-toe.

did you just turn 60 or what?


by practicing on the streets, doesnt mean you have to be going fast. you learn how to do it properly, and you learn experience for when you will have to use it. and using the heel toe technique, it's not for "racing" through the city streets.


agreeing with MPR's post!

Praticing a racing technique isn't cool on the streets, that's like me saying I'm going to pratice drifting. Wtf?

If u have done it before and are some what experianced on country or empty roads... Then fine. But to practice on public streets is stupid. What happens if something goes wrong, are you still going to have the same "pro" attitude towards it? I don't think so.

It shouldn't be fully considered a "racing technique" you don't have to be driving like a dumbass to do it. If you downshift is that considered a racing technique? All heel toe is doing is simply pivoting your brake foot to "blip" the gas for a split second to rev match while you downshift. So unless you consider downshifting racing, I would consider this purely racing. Yes I understand it's used at the track but generally it's a good idea to just rev match to be easier on the clutch.

How the fuk is heel-toe a racing technique? Its a skill and a very useful one. I do it all the time, and im not racing...*rolls eyes*

Coming to a light or a corner, why brake from further away or rev match from greater distance, when you can do both at the same time and brake in shorter distance. How about downshifting coming to a light? everybody does it, dont you? and while downshifting dont you brake? well if you do then its the same damn thing. Ryan, stop being an old grump...

It is a driving technique that is also used in racing. It's not purely a "racing technique".

If you can do it right it actually makes for smoother deacceleration and down shifting vs just letting out the clutch and letting it "drag" the engine's rpm up to match the next lower gear. It also puts less wear and tear on the clutch and transmission.

You don't have to be going mach 5 to use the technique, you just have to be in any situation where down shifting is necessary. Whether that be on a track going much faster, or on the street deaccelerating normally.

Read the title morons.... Racing technique *rollseyes*

Oh btw, I'm holding drift-o racing events at the corner of dixie and dundas... Who wants to join? Since drifting isn't a racing technique that should be just fine....right?

i heel and toe sometimes, just gotta know when and where to use it!

All i will say is use at own discretion, stock pedals and street shoes don't grip like their racing setup counterparts, and if that foot slips while you're being fancy you're up shits creek lol.

I like the technique though, i honestly do see value in having it learnt, just under safe and controlled situations.

lol...

So, just because the OP coined it as a "racing technique" makes it exactly that and nothing else? That's hilarious.

You need to come for a ride with me at the next meet and I'll show how it is a "driving technique" that is easily used on the street, without racing and revving the bag off the engine. ;)

Most people don't do it on the street because most people don't even know about it. It's very beneficial for a street driving technique and you do not NEED to be racing to perform it. I don't think you understand, we're not saying to come flying up to corners or stop lights braking at the last second and ripping down through the gears... No, you slow down as you would normally and implement the technique so you match the rpm in a more gentle and subtle manor.

It may have been originally developed for racing, but it is not JUST for racing. Nor does it imply that you must be racing when you use the technique.

I personally just think Ryan's on an Initial D kick at the moment lol, he's giving away those free drift lessons.

I always heel to toe..it's just better for the car. Makes driving smoother, and feels awesome when you get the revs to match perfectly. For example if im going 60 in 5th, ill drop it into second before a right turn, and heel to toe so that the acceleration after the turn is smooth.

I never knew that cars take no gas when decelerating..I though shooting the revs up meant more gas but I was okay with it.

^The "blip" of the throttle, of course burns fuel. But with a fuel injected engine and manual transmission, while off the throttle in gear decelerating, the engine is burning zero fuel.

speaking of drifting......when is this damn snow coming?????? i'm looking to do my winter fwd drifting in the local tims parking lot!!!! w00t!

^I'll be driving very gingerly tonight... These new tires are definitely NOT for snow...lol. I probably should have waited one more week before slapping on the summers...

meh. i won't be there tonight anyways, release bearing is finished. gonna be "donating" some money to "help martin get a saab" fund. i hear it's non-profit, but who believes that ---- anyways? :p

^Ha... "help martin get a saab" fund? At this rate you'll be putting his kids through college... :P

Snow is getting worse, up here at least. Going to switch back to the snows for another week. This sucks...lol. Meh, only takes 5 mins to swap them.

lol no kidding, its still only March, and this is Canada afterall. I would wait longer than that.

Ya if I had winters def would still be on.

Lmao Saab fund.

Oh and I use heel toe for all 3 pedals with one foot Chuck Norris taught me in person. And while drifting.... :yeah:

Serious business, dont mess around

Not Messing around lol.

I got a forte fund :)

why do people bitch at other people about "keep it to the track" thats BULLSHIT! you all lie! not a single mother fucker on here can honestly say they NEVER giver ---- sometimes with another random guy on the street or rip in and out of traffic on the highway just for shits and giggles.... end of rant lol

Can't agree nor deny that lol. But in all honesty, more when I was younger now I drive like a turtle, super slow shifting and gas saving throttle ftw

^^^^ hmmmm ya I love to give the Teg a nice boot lol. Chased down a 350z today that was fun lol.

But it all depends what the car is used for really, like for an example I got my Teg which is a car I drive maybe just on weekends, so I love to give it to it a bit. But when I am driving it somewhere by myself I'm usually just taking it easy going 110-120kmh max on highways. When I drive my accord well I drive like any other normal person.

kia? eww. whyyyyy? and don't say "only cause they look cool".

^^^ ha where to start!

Kia has come a hell of a long way, and they're trying very hard to change their image. Their cars today are very competitive both with features, pricing, and style. Hyundai's doing well too, the Korean car giant seems to know what the market wants these days.

It's just a matter of time before they change the perception of "cheap and unreliable Korean econobox" in the minds of consumers and they'll be right up there.

Kia forte uses the same engine as the Mitsubishi lancer. And yeah, Kia and Hyundai have come a LOOOOOONG way in recent years.

i work for kia now, and trust me guys.... them and hyundia are going to be the next "Honda/Toyota". Great product, awesome warrenty and stylistic qualities that consumers actually want.

They got me sold the minute I saw a forte on the street.

Genesis V6 Turbo.



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Lol at this thread, from heel toe to KDM as fuk!

Wish they made it that way from factory...

Friend of mine has a Genesis with the 2.0L turbo. He says he likes it. I haven't been for a ride in it yet...

yeah maybe, but it will take a long time, and i dont see Honda/Toyota going anywhere..plus for some reason I noticed Chinese people hate Hyundai and Kia, they only buy Japanese or German...

Well I don't think the V6 necessarily needs turbo, its decent fast as is, plus that would raise the sticker price by a lot. (They would need to re-design the engine, tranny, clutch and brakes etc to cope with the added power)

As far as the 4-cylinder turbo, I have heard its a bit of a failure, kinda slow and inconsistent power delivery.

on my ninja i always (hand wrist) lol every gear i did with out thinking i also do it when daily driving its habbit been doing for years by no means am i trying to speed or race i just do it

just cause one of their cars has 1 good engine, doesn't mean their whole lineup is great. they will try to be up there with fail-yota and honda, but it won't happen. honda/toyota have been in the business providing great cars for decades. kia, for example, still has issues with some of their vehicles (like the sedona and ssportage). i worked at a kia dealership (and part time working now too) in the past as well, so im not talking out of my ass, not trying to throw it out there that im a know it all..... to the AVERAGE (not us) consumer, they provide a cheap/affordable/good warranty car. great on gas mileage and features that the more expensive cars out there. just like the genesis sedan, hyundai admitted they didn't put a H badge on the front of the car so people don't immediately judge it as "oh, its a hyundai, its crap". they want people to change their perspective on south korean cars.

most of their models look very nice, and if i were in a position to get one on a lease, i probably would. i wouldn't "own" one. imo, if it's not from japan or europe, i don't want it.

^Whut-everrrrrrrr! lol jk.

All I know is Kia and Hyundai are now starting to make cars that rival civic and corolla in quality, style and equipment at a better price. That is a fact. The general public is starting to catch on to this and loose their old school biased opinions carried by the names.

We just sold my wife's old 02 kia spectra and I couldn't be happier. It was a massive pos and felt scary to drive. I can honestly say that the new kia's are a billion percent better made and designed than the 9 year old kia we owned. Completely different in everyway.

No one is disputing their cars aren't good, and a heck of a lot better than 10 years ago, but that in itself is not enough. It takes years (if not decades) of producing quality affordable vehicle's to build up a reputation and a loyal customer base..

and soon enough my young little boy, kia/hyundia will be making better cars for decades to come. And come to think of it EVERY CAR manufacturer has some sort of "issues" with their line up.

Remember when everyone was talking smack about honda/toyota when they first emerged into the car scene? Kia and Hyundia are hearing the same buzz right now. Its their time to prove people wrong now..... and they are doing it sooner than expected.

lol...Yes I'm sure he remembers the 60's like it was yesterday.

^^^ it was the late 70's early 80's when they came to America/Canada.

n00b:jack:

i don't think MOST of us do. if kia is so great, why didn't you buy one? why did you still go with a gstring? if you're going to say price, don't think thats whats holding you back. cause you can get credit from almost anywhere now.

I can't afford a new car....yet. Nor would I want to own ANY newer car. But with all car dealer smelly like ----, kia and hyundia are the ones coming out smelly like freah daisys.

My 4 door, luxury sedan was $2300. Far cry from 20G's on a new car.

Next time when u post in reply of my post... Make it relevent to my post LOL.

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3055/weightloss.jpg

Must I say more.

That is awesome Paul - that's the nicest one I've seen now.

WHY? Why must everyone run a million degrees of negative camber when they mod their car???:confused:

Aside from that, the forte is a VERY good looking car. I actually prefer the looks of the 4 door over the 2 door.

I prefer the two door awesome looking car. I just fixed my stupid negative camber I couldn't agree more with MPR with the whole "mad tight Jdm" camber

Agreed, it's much. Not to mention terrible for your handling and also kills your tires faster than you can pay for them.

Either way, pretty sweet looking forte

Oh I hate that much camber I think it looks dumb and not practical at all. Just love the picture of that car. Plus it's still hard to find pics of done up kias.

Kdmmm
 

All the points are pretty legit for the most part. As a salesperson for Honda right now, I have had the opportunity to sell other vehicles from diff. manufacturers due to my Dealer Principal owning 15 dealerships. One of them is Kia. I sold 2 Fortes. They are cool, quick, loaded with options that some civics dont have even at their top end models, and cheap. But, either way, they will never hold the residual value of a Honda. Impossible. Honda holds its value 12% over any import vehicle after 5 years. Again, not knocking anyones opinions, but these are facts. I think its a cool car, and the Genesis looks tight too, but just on the badge alone you wouldnt even catch me carpooling lol. And Paul, that Kia does look hype, but we all know they took Civic body lines and cleaned it up before Honda had a chance to do it. The new 2012 Civic drops in about 2 weeks at our dealerships and they have bluetooth standard and traction control etc standard..so they are coming to terms with whats happening, and they have enough of a lead that KDM wont catch up anytime soon. Also, lol, this is BIAS. Hahahaa..

Very strong points it's true about the value they won't keep it as much as a Honda ATM but I think with time that will change. The 2012 civic has to fight back against what the forte offers just makes sense cuz really the forte is just like a civic and a little nicer in body style personally. You guys get the 2012 models on the floor April 20th I believe. They look a little better and I think they will sell more.