GSR or Type R Motor?
04-22-2009, 03:06 PM
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GSR or Type R Motor?
I would like to start this thread because i want to see what you guys think of. now that school is done i am saving up money to replace my RS motor and i was thinking either the GSR Motor or the Type R, i would be dropping in the motor myself since my friend has a shop where i am able to do this. If you have anything to say them please say it. Thanks.
Debating questions:
1) which motor will be better for turbo
2) Which will be more efficent in the long run
3) just wanna see what you guys think
Looking forward to the opinions.
Thank you. Paul.
Debating questions:
1) which motor will be better for turbo
2) Which will be more efficent in the long run
3) just wanna see what you guys think
Looking forward to the opinions.
Thank you. Paul.
04-22-2009, 07:16 PM
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i'm also interested in the feedback from this question, however I won't be turboing my motor. I thought i used to know the answer for myself but GSR and Type-R are closer in price than i thought.
04-22-2009, 09:24 PM
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I would just like to know which one would be better for power not so much of a 10 second car idea but a nice track/daily driver. im aiming for just over 300 hp. just enough to kill some of those kids with their parents beamers and those crappy cars.
04-22-2009, 09:31 PM
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To generalize ...
GSR (JDM B18C, B18C1) is going to be the better candidate for a turbo build. Lower compression ratio, and much cheaper to purchase.
Type R (JDM B18C Spec R, B18C5) is a good choice for a turbo build as well, but for the price, the GSR will work just as well, and might be a bit easier to tune due to lower compression. If you were asking about an all motor application, I'd recommend the Type R hand over fist.
My advice would be to go for the best of both worlds: a GSR Motor, and Type R Transmission. The JDM Type R transmission has a 4.7 final drive instead of 4.4, you've got dual synchros on third gear, and a fantastic limited slip differential. The tighter final drive on the Type R is going to drastically increase your straight line performance, and the Type R LSD is great when you really start to apply some lock in the corners.
Best of luck.
GSR (JDM B18C, B18C1) is going to be the better candidate for a turbo build. Lower compression ratio, and much cheaper to purchase.
Type R (JDM B18C Spec R, B18C5) is a good choice for a turbo build as well, but for the price, the GSR will work just as well, and might be a bit easier to tune due to lower compression. If you were asking about an all motor application, I'd recommend the Type R hand over fist.
My advice would be to go for the best of both worlds: a GSR Motor, and Type R Transmission. The JDM Type R transmission has a 4.7 final drive instead of 4.4, you've got dual synchros on third gear, and a fantastic limited slip differential. The tighter final drive on the Type R is going to drastically increase your straight line performance, and the Type R LSD is great when you really start to apply some lock in the corners.
Best of luck.
04-22-2009, 10:38 PM
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To generalize ...
GSR (JDM B18C, B18C1) is going to be the better candidate for a turbo build. Lower compression ratio, and much cheaper to purchase.
Type R (JDM B18C Spec R, B18C5) is a good choice for a turbo build as well, but for the price, the GSR will work just as well, and might be a bit easier to tune due to lower compression. If you were asking about an all motor application, I'd recommend the Type R hand over fist.
My advice would be to go for the best of both worlds: a GSR Motor, and Type R Transmission. The JDM Type R transmission has a 4.7 final drive instead of 4.4, you've got dual synchros on third gear, and a fantastic limited slip differential. The tighter final drive on the Type R is going to drastically increase your straight line performance, and the Type R LSD is great when you really start to apply some lock in the corners.
Best of luck.
GSR (JDM B18C, B18C1) is going to be the better candidate for a turbo build. Lower compression ratio, and much cheaper to purchase.
Type R (JDM B18C Spec R, B18C5) is a good choice for a turbo build as well, but for the price, the GSR will work just as well, and might be a bit easier to tune due to lower compression. If you were asking about an all motor application, I'd recommend the Type R hand over fist.
My advice would be to go for the best of both worlds: a GSR Motor, and Type R Transmission. The JDM Type R transmission has a 4.7 final drive instead of 4.4, you've got dual synchros on third gear, and a fantastic limited slip differential. The tighter final drive on the Type R is going to drastically increase your straight line performance, and the Type R LSD is great when you really start to apply some lock in the corners.
Best of luck.
04-23-2009, 08:13 AM
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I think it really depends on your buget. I tune a lot of turbo cars and if you're looking to boost either motor in it's stock form I've made 300-340 reliable and safe whp with both motors. (Crome, Hondata etc.) I like the Type R because of the fact you need less boost to make the same power. The compression is one the causes of this factor. I tune quite a few higher compression boosted motors and all that is needed is a little more fuel and slightly less timing. There's obviously limits, I think 11.5:1 is the cuttoff. The type R also has a large plenum intake and larger throttlebody making the turbo setup more efficient. The TypeR cams have more lift and duration also causing the turbo to spool quicker. LSD transmission is available for both but personally I like the short gears of the TypeR even though you might have to bang 5th gear in the quarter. I've worked with both motors and regardless of which one you choose, you'll have fun with either. I'm glad to see you're doing the reasearch first, and when you turbocharge the car don't fall for the deals on ebay.
04-24-2009, 12:38 PM
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I do not have an LS Motor i only have the RS non vtech motor so i cant build it up to much that is why i wanna swap it out. Sorry about the comment but you know what i mean.
04-25-2009, 01:58 PM
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a jsrc super goes for about 5-7k depending on what other parts you go with from them. and superchargers the power is always there as for turbo you have to wait for it to spoil and might have boost creep but thats depends on how you bulid it. good luck with your bulid!!!!!!!!!!!!
04-26-2009, 01:14 PM
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Depends on what kind of turbo you are looking for you can get them cheap such as the ebay kits which are not recommended, they can also go for alot like the gt35r turbos...the thing with stock turbos on cars dont give you too much power, they do it=n fact give you better gas millage and a little extra power but not much, i know a few people with WRX's and STI's and they are always upgrading their stock turbos for more power.
I think im gonna go with the type r and go all motor... but once i get the motor i will truly decide then what i wanna do and ask around in some shops.
I think im gonna go with the type r and go all motor... but once i get the motor i will truly decide then what i wanna do and ask around in some shops.
04-26-2009, 09:23 PM
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Option 1: BOOST your RS(LS B18a/b) motor. I'm not sure what year integra you have (DA,DB,DC) but regardless, the motors are good for forced induction..
Option2 2: Cheapest version of all.. considering the gains. Grab a B16/18 head and LSV it. You'll feel the gains for sure, just make sure you do it properly. You could also build the head mildly or the bottom since it'll be split up. Demends on your budget and desires.
Option 3: Type R if you got the money.. The B18c5 will not only look good and clean in the engine bay, but will sound better, perform better as you already know and make more people whisper about it at the runs...
Option 4: B18c6.. yup... C6! Below you'll find everything you need to know about the SPOON engine. GOOD LUCK finding one but hey, if you got the money, why not...
"Here are the details of the Spoon "engine" / longblock once again:
- it is a new 98 spec R longblock
- internal components are JDM OE Honda with the following exceptions
- it is fully balanced and blueprinted
- it uses the Spoon 2 piece headgasket for a compression ratio of 11.3:1
- it uses the Spoon oil pump which is stronger and more effective than the OE Honda one
- it should put out around 180hp at the wheel
what is 'balanced and blueprinted by Spoon'?
- all engine components are weighed to 0.01grams precision
- engine components such as pistons and rods are balanced, they all weigh within 0.01gram of each other
- Spoon is able to balance these components because they order/weigh/sort hundreds of pistons, rods, etc. from Honda and sort them into balanced sets
- bolts are torqued within 0.01N/M of Honda specs
- what does balancing and blueprinting do? it makes the engine run incredibly smooth, reduces power lost to inefficiency, power delivery is extremely smooth, power is higher across the entire rpm band compared to a Honda assembled engine, engine/throttle response is much better, the engine revs smoother/faster and is able to withstand high rpm better, engine life is improved considerably especially in race environments
why does Spoon offer this engine?
- Spoon's core philosophy is in balance: good power, good driving feel, and long life. this engine offers all
- circuit racing requirements differ from drag racing: an engine with the aforementioned characteristics is preferred in circuit racing over a high power, less reliable engine which might be favored in drag racing
- these engines are frequently bought by pro race teams competing according to FIA Group N regulations which require stock internal motors. hence they need an engine which has maximum effectiveness and efficiency using stock parts
who should consider a Spoon engine?
- pro/amateur racers requiring a motor in stock trim (FIA Group N)
- circuit racers/enthusiasts who want an optimized stock motor for circuit use
- people who want a new stock or reliable motor with decent power
who shouldn't consider a Spoon engine?
- drag racers
- people on tight budget or DIY
- people who want a high power setup, N/A or Turbo
- people who don't care about or aren't sensitive to subjective intangibles such as driving feel or engine response
what is the price of a Spoon engine or block?
- it is priced comparably to the price of a new b18c5 longblock/shortblock from Acura considering the work Spoon has put into it
- remember it is a NEW longblock/shortblock
- price fluctuates with supply and demand, although spoon engines aren't common here, remember that they are very common and popular in Japan and Asia
- expect price to increase over time as the supply of b18c components dwindles
- contact an authorized Spoon dealer such as IPS, R&D, A&J for a price quote
does/why doesn't Spoon offer a high power engine?
- again, Spoon's philosophy is balance. to Spoon, high power is only worthwhile if the engine can endure the stress of a 24 hour race. to Spoon, a street tuned engine needs to be comfortable and reliable while delivering improved power and driving feel
- Spoon has built and sold high power engines with 200+whp... high compression kits and stroker kits including a 2L kit for the 18C. However, the reliability and engine life of these engines still aren't good enough for Spoon's standards and hence Spoon does not offer them anymore
- Spoon doesn't drag race "
Yeah, spoon doesn't drag race.. :P
Option2 2: Cheapest version of all.. considering the gains. Grab a B16/18 head and LSV it. You'll feel the gains for sure, just make sure you do it properly. You could also build the head mildly or the bottom since it'll be split up. Demends on your budget and desires.
Option 3: Type R if you got the money.. The B18c5 will not only look good and clean in the engine bay, but will sound better, perform better as you already know and make more people whisper about it at the runs...
Option 4: B18c6.. yup... C6! Below you'll find everything you need to know about the SPOON engine. GOOD LUCK finding one but hey, if you got the money, why not...
"Here are the details of the Spoon "engine" / longblock once again:
- it is a new 98 spec R longblock
- internal components are JDM OE Honda with the following exceptions
- it is fully balanced and blueprinted
- it uses the Spoon 2 piece headgasket for a compression ratio of 11.3:1
- it uses the Spoon oil pump which is stronger and more effective than the OE Honda one
- it should put out around 180hp at the wheel
what is 'balanced and blueprinted by Spoon'?
- all engine components are weighed to 0.01grams precision
- engine components such as pistons and rods are balanced, they all weigh within 0.01gram of each other
- Spoon is able to balance these components because they order/weigh/sort hundreds of pistons, rods, etc. from Honda and sort them into balanced sets
- bolts are torqued within 0.01N/M of Honda specs
- what does balancing and blueprinting do? it makes the engine run incredibly smooth, reduces power lost to inefficiency, power delivery is extremely smooth, power is higher across the entire rpm band compared to a Honda assembled engine, engine/throttle response is much better, the engine revs smoother/faster and is able to withstand high rpm better, engine life is improved considerably especially in race environments
why does Spoon offer this engine?
- Spoon's core philosophy is in balance: good power, good driving feel, and long life. this engine offers all
- circuit racing requirements differ from drag racing: an engine with the aforementioned characteristics is preferred in circuit racing over a high power, less reliable engine which might be favored in drag racing
- these engines are frequently bought by pro race teams competing according to FIA Group N regulations which require stock internal motors. hence they need an engine which has maximum effectiveness and efficiency using stock parts
who should consider a Spoon engine?
- pro/amateur racers requiring a motor in stock trim (FIA Group N)
- circuit racers/enthusiasts who want an optimized stock motor for circuit use
- people who want a new stock or reliable motor with decent power
who shouldn't consider a Spoon engine?
- drag racers
- people on tight budget or DIY
- people who want a high power setup, N/A or Turbo
- people who don't care about or aren't sensitive to subjective intangibles such as driving feel or engine response
what is the price of a Spoon engine or block?
- it is priced comparably to the price of a new b18c5 longblock/shortblock from Acura considering the work Spoon has put into it
- remember it is a NEW longblock/shortblock
- price fluctuates with supply and demand, although spoon engines aren't common here, remember that they are very common and popular in Japan and Asia
- expect price to increase over time as the supply of b18c components dwindles
- contact an authorized Spoon dealer such as IPS, R&D, A&J for a price quote
does/why doesn't Spoon offer a high power engine?
- again, Spoon's philosophy is balance. to Spoon, high power is only worthwhile if the engine can endure the stress of a 24 hour race. to Spoon, a street tuned engine needs to be comfortable and reliable while delivering improved power and driving feel
- Spoon has built and sold high power engines with 200+whp... high compression kits and stroker kits including a 2L kit for the 18C. However, the reliability and engine life of these engines still aren't good enough for Spoon's standards and hence Spoon does not offer them anymore
- Spoon doesn't drag race "
Yeah, spoon doesn't drag race.. :P
04-26-2009, 11:08 PM
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haha, those crappy cars like old integras?
04-27-2009, 12:27 PM
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Ummmmmm Which old integras you calling Crappy? There's a LIMITED number of 1st gen that are still alive in toronto and the 2nd Gen is not crappy by any means. Clearly you haven't drove one yourself to see how it handles and how much better it feels to smash gears in a cable tranny... I think he was talkin about the crappy cars like ur mothers Sunflower that you put an exhaust on and a tach on even though its automagic.. You ignorant PHUK!
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