The best AUTO engine in the market?
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The best AUTO engine in the market?
i am looking to swap the engine out of my ls for something that is a little better. First of all a little faster and better then the stock LS engine. Maybe VTEC? i dunno? What should i be looking for in terms of acura engines? i would like to get the manual tranny but i heard there is too much complication and i honeslty am ok with auto for now. any help would be great! thanks
Last edited by -Azarro-; Jul 26, 2005 at 02:51 PM.
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B20 is the easiest swap - all LS bolt-ons bolt right on. More torque than a type r, more hp than an LS. The problem with going to a Vtec motor is you'll probably want to go to a manual tranny and all the hassles associated with that. Vtec motors make their power high in the RPM range and your tranny will most likely just short shift it. So, you're going to be disappointed in performance. So the easiest things to do is to do the B20 or dump the car all together and buy a manual version of the same car wiht the engine you want.
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or you can just keep your stock auto ls, till your ready for a manual car...would save you the money and headache of doing a swap and such, just cause you want something a little better!!! cause no matter what engine it is, if its auto, its gonna be that slow..unless you slap a hemi in there!!!!
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Originally Posted by WildoutWhiteGSR
You could also supercharge the ls motor and upgrade to a level ten torque convetor.
yea guys i kno i want manual just that i am a uni student and that i put the money in for my car. as a matter of fact my rents dont even know i own the teg. they think i drive the piece of ---- my rents gave me. last year i won a lot of money in a gamble and baught the teg. it is my baby and i cant just dump her even though i want stick. anyways thanks for the help. i will consider the b20 engine swap or what trenell mentioned.
btw what model teg does a b20 come from gs, gsr??? what is the average cost for one?
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I believe Lucky Star sells B20 long blocks for 1,100 last time I checked - a long block is everything from the TB to the flywheel. Give them a call and see what they say. The B20Z has higher compression than the B20B hence the higher performance numbers. Do some research cuz I think there's a version of the B20B in Japan that had the higher compression as well. It's one of the torquiest B motors you can buy. Go with the B if you're going to boost it, go for the Z if you're going NA. The nice thing about the B20 is basically it's a B18B with larger pistons. So you can run B18B cams and all the same bolt-ons, just get more torque out of it your mods. They take boost pretty well and JR now has a supercharger kit for them. All B-series turbo kits bolt onto them as well. You can also make good power by adding oil squirters and bolt-on a Vtec head and do a CRVtec. On a manual it's not uncommon for those to put down 200whp and torque numbers close to 150. There are downsides to B20 Vtec so do some research if you go that way. You may just want to put a turbo kit on your current motor and if it blows upgrade to a B20 later. Personally, I'm not a big fan of boost because to the weight it adds to the front of the motor and how the heat limits my ability to run longer sessions at the track. Plus, more maintenance as well. Budget 2gs for the long block, the swap and ECU tuning to make sure it works properly. I suggest an OBD1 harness and a custom chipped ECU.
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Originally Posted by RRRex
I believe Lucky Star sells B20 long blocks for 1,100 last time I checked - a long block is everything from the TB to the flywheel. Give them a call and see what they say. The B20Z has higher compression than the B20B hence the higher performance numbers. Do some research cuz I think there's a version of the B20B in Japan that had the higher compression as well. It's one of the torquiest B motors you can buy. Go with the B if you're going to boost it, go for the Z if you're going NA. The nice thing about the B20 is basically it's a B18B with larger pistons. So you can run B18B cams and all the same bolt-ons, just get more torque out of it your mods. They take boost pretty well and JR now has a supercharger kit for them. All B-series turbo kits bolt onto them as well. You can also make good power by adding oil squirters and bolt-on a Vtec head and do a CRVtec. On a manual it's not uncommon for those to put down 200whp and torque numbers close to 150. There are downsides to B20 Vtec so do some research if you go that way. You may just want to put a turbo kit on your current motor and if it blows upgrade to a B20 later. Personally, I'm not a big fan of boost because to the weight it adds to the front of the motor and how the heat limits my ability to run longer sessions at the track. Plus, more maintenance as well. Budget 2gs for the long block, the swap and ECU tuning to make sure it works properly. I suggest an OBD1 harness and a custom chipped ECU.
also if anyone has the telephone number for Lucky Star and/or any other places where i can get information about and purchase a B20 engine i would really appreciate it.
you guys are the great....very helpful indeed!
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No worries. 
I'm a member of the HADA motorsport club and there's always a member somewhere swapping a motor on their driveway and I'm always dropping by to help.
Here's a list of local importers I pulled from the HADA site, you can try some of these:
http://www.enginelandinc.com/enproducts.asp
http://www.eaglejapanmotors.com/
http://www.tokyoautoparts.com/
http://www.jdmplace.com/
http://www.luckystarjapanese.com/
http://www.--------.com/home.php
http://www.unitedmotionsupply.com/ (import whole vehicles)
http://www.tigerjapanese.com/
http://www.osakajdmmotors.com/
I've bought from Eagle, Lucky Star and -------- and all seem to be very straight up guys. Rasmik @ BiP was my favourite importer ever but he's out of the business now
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If you have more specific questions you can try posting them on the HADA site too hadamotorsport.com in the 'Ask HADA' section or on honda-tech (do a search first - they get a bit cranky if people keep asking the same questions).
I'm a member of the HADA motorsport club and there's always a member somewhere swapping a motor on their driveway and I'm always dropping by to help.Here's a list of local importers I pulled from the HADA site, you can try some of these:
http://www.enginelandinc.com/enproducts.asp
http://www.eaglejapanmotors.com/
http://www.tokyoautoparts.com/
http://www.jdmplace.com/
http://www.luckystarjapanese.com/
http://www.--------.com/home.php
http://www.unitedmotionsupply.com/ (import whole vehicles)
http://www.tigerjapanese.com/
http://www.osakajdmmotors.com/
I've bought from Eagle, Lucky Star and -------- and all seem to be very straight up guys. Rasmik @ BiP was my favourite importer ever but he's out of the business now
. If you have more specific questions you can try posting them on the HADA site too hadamotorsport.com in the 'Ask HADA' section or on honda-tech (do a search first - they get a bit cranky if people keep asking the same questions).
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My name is Miles. Just be patient and one will turn up. See what shipments they have coming in and if a B20Z is on one of them. Or try to find out which B20B has the Z internals in Japan - or if that's just a rumour I heard. A guy I know found out about it somehow.
You can also try car-parts.com for local wreckers that might have one. The plus side of that is if the engine is still in the CRV, you can actually look at the odometer to verify the mileage.
You can also try car-parts.com for local wreckers that might have one. The plus side of that is if the engine is still in the CRV, you can actually look at the odometer to verify the mileage.
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i found this on http://www.geocities.com/chipman_13/hon-car-eng.html
B20B- 2.0L DOHC non-VTEC- 96-98 CR-V (126hp)
B20Z- 2.0L DOHC non-VTEC- 99-01 CR-V (143hp)
if those numbers are correct that would mean that it has only relativly the same amount of hp than the stock ls motor
i am also looking to do a swap and i also have an auto ls 4 door, when there are 3 ppl in the car, the car struggles a lot, so i'm looking to do a swap to help the car along a bit, could some one clarify the B20z engine specs for me?
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B20B- 2.0L DOHC non-VTEC- 96-98 CR-V (126hp)
B20Z- 2.0L DOHC non-VTEC- 99-01 CR-V (143hp)
if those numbers are correct that would mean that it has only relativly the same amount of hp than the stock ls motor
i am also looking to do a swap and i also have an auto ls 4 door, when there are 3 ppl in the car, the car struggles a lot, so i'm looking to do a swap to help the car along a bit, could some one clarify the B20z engine specs for me?
thx
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i found this searching:
http://www.motorpride.com/Articles/V...?SiteID=1&ID=8
it says the b20z has 146 hp and 133 ft/lbs of torque...
i think the main reason to go the b20z is because of the torque... the hp is relatively similar but it gives you that low end power which is where you mostly are at in an automatic...
http://www.motorpride.com/Articles/V...?SiteID=1&ID=8
it says the b20z has 146 hp and 133 ft/lbs of torque...
i think the main reason to go the b20z is because of the torque... the hp is relatively similar but it gives you that low end power which is where you mostly are at in an automatic...
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Get the manual conversion, its a huge difference, it isnt tat much different, the place i went to charged me 500, if i were u, i would rather convert the current b18b auto to manual, it be quicker than swappin in an auto B20.....But if u appreciate not havin to be tired in traffic, then swap it in....I was wonderin, has any1 on here done the b20 vtec conversion b4? if so how much did they end up payin for it?
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how much did it cost you to do the sway to manual. if it is $500 i am all over it. please pm me with the place you got it done at and ill get it done tomorrow!!! the main reason i didnt want to convert to a manual was because it would be too pricey. but if it is only $500 or around that price i will get it done to my current motor in the LS. please let me know!
email me at 4u2nvaz@gmail.com thanks
email me at 4u2nvaz@gmail.com thanks
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wait, i may have forgot to include somethin, I paid 500 for the conversion w/out parts, so in the end u may have paid 1000-1200 max, cause I got everything done at once....I had an auto D16y8 taken out at KSRD in Scarborough, I am not sure if they are still existing, but they installed a b16a2 complete w/auto to manual and the swap itself for 3800. You should check the yellowpages and call them to see if they are still around....if u need anymore info add me to msn/e-mail me at kenneth_Tang98@hotmail.com
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what are the parts you need in order for you to do the swap! like every part you need please! i talked to my mechanic and he is like ill charge you $2000 to $2500 to do the swap because he is going to provide all the parts! so if i can get it done for $1200 that is much better almost half.
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the only difference from my auto to manual and yours, is the fact that i changed everything at once. Therefore its cheaper due to it being a package....does ur car have mad high clicks? if it does, maybe u could look into doing everything, if not msg me on msn later cause i have a friend who said he mite be able to get u a good deal if u bring the tranny and shift linkage....a b18b tranny shouldnt be much, but a GSR 1 would be more, it depends again on wat route u wanna go
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Originally Posted by Pimpin-EL
the only difference from my auto to manual and yours, is the fact that i changed everything at once. Therefore its cheaper due to it being a package....does ur car have mad high clicks? if it does, maybe u could look into doing everything, if not msg me on msn later cause i have a friend who said he mite be able to get u a good deal if u bring the tranny and shift linkage....a b18b tranny shouldnt be much, but a GSR 1 would be more, it depends again on wat route u wanna go
would you be able to ask you friend how much he is willing to do the swap for me please? i can look around for the parts and give it to him that shouldnt be a problem and is not my greatest concern!
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Originally Posted by azarsheikh
would you be able to ask you friend how much he is willing to do the swap for me please? i can look around for the parts and give it to him that shouldnt be a problem and is not my greatest concern!
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i would just buy another b18b/a motor.....the cheapest way to go.....u could get one for about $600 @ japan direct in sauga......the b20 is good but they have very weak cylinder walls......will not hold boost passed 7psi unless sleeved....but anyway....save yourself money and get a new block or if u know a machine shop...id get it re-built.....ls blocks are very strong blocks and can take boost very well.....i've seen ls blocks with stock internals hold 15 psi pushing over 300 whp......juss my $.02.......
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i just want something that will last me a bit longer then my engine now...any while i am shopping for engines i would go with something thats good. i have changed my mind and want to swap the auto to manual. im not sure if i should keep my current engine or get a new one. i dont want auto after this year!
and pimpin-EL your friend didnt talk to me yet.
and pimpin-EL your friend didnt talk to me yet.
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You should just sell your car and buy an standard if that's the case. A lot less headaches. Whatever mods you have just carry them over to the next car.
BTW, AJ Auto parts near Kipling and Queensway has a B20Z for $700.
BTW, AJ Auto parts near Kipling and Queensway has a B20Z for $700.
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^thats not option anymore. ive spent a lot on exterior and such so thats out the window otherwise id do that long time ago. unfortunately my only option is to change the tranny or change the engine. plus i am a student and all my funds come from my pocket no support from outside. so what i do is from the money i make in the summer and my part time job while school is on.
thanks for the info about the engine ill check that out if i go for auto. cause i doubt they give me a manual tranny with the engine right???
unfortunately my only option is to change the tranny or change the engine. plus i am a student and all my funds come from my pocket no support from outside. so what i do is from the money i make in the summer and my part time job while school is on. thanks for the info about the engine ill check that out if i go for auto. cause i doubt they give me a manual tranny with the engine right???
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i know the ITR motor with tranny costs around $4500 to $5000...i dont have that much to invest in the car at this time again due to financial reasons is to why i am just doing a cheap swap at this time so i can atleast make my car stick. im not sure if you know where i am trying to get. i need to get a new engine no matter what...the one that i have currently im not having problems with but i would prefer to have a newer engine. i would have to do a lot of research before i make a decision and shop around for good prices. but an ITR conversion is out of the question
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if anyone has any places in mind they would like to reccommend to get my car converted from auto to manual and to take out the ls motor and throw in a gsr please let me know. i have gotten a few quotes from various places i just want to shop around for the best price. Please attach a name and contact number for a shop or a private mechanic. If you dont mind limit it to the GTA area please. thank you in advance
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auto yes. i drive auto too. at first i was like damn i wish i got stick but i dont mind it now especially in city packed with cars. a vortech supercharging system is waay to expenisve esepcially with the aftercooler. search it up on the site. turbo would be cheaper. i'd go with the engine swap instead. would be the same. besides you cant boost much on stock parts so u'd have to do a build up. my suggestion for motor. auto H22. its vtec and comes in auto on even on ludes. cheap engine, more power and alot more torque than a b18c5, cheaper than turboing. yea its heavier but the power and alot more torque would more than make up for that.
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i just dont like auto any more. when i bought the car i was like it doesnt matter i dont mind because i didnt drive a manual car a lot just once in a while and the teg was my first car. then when i bought my beater which is stick i am so anxious to change the tranny to manual. i will probably end up with the gsr engine and lsd tranny. I need places where i will get good prices. i have gotten quotted $3500 at one place in newmarket and $4000 in brampton. If i go through -------- the engine itself there is $3800 i wonder how much with labour? so i am looking for places that you guys know not that well knows to public but do really amazing work.
