h4h hid's..?
decided to go with the group buy for the hid's that are plug and play for our jdm one pieces (h4h). just wondering if anyone out there has hid's in their one pieces (made to fit our headlights, not retro'd) and how does it perform?
i know i know, *real* hid's are projectors, but there are cars out there that come from the factory stock that aren't projectors (CL's/TL's) that are very decent.. can anyone comment? let's do the gb peoples.. plug and play hid for our one pieces for 275 taxes in!!! just go to the vendors section under touge tuning and sign up!!!! |
Aubrey thanks for the support, all you G2 guys should get in on this deal or atleast just check out the thread :).
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Originally Posted by mdt115
i know i know, *real* hid's are projectors, but there are cars out there that come from the factory stock that aren't projectors (CL's/TL's) that are very decent..
Reflector bowls for HIDs are designed to be used as HIDs reflectors. The reflector bowls are engineered to control the reflection of the HID to produce minimal glare. They still produce glare compared on an HID projector but the amount is a lot less than a non-HID reflector, like (for example) the G2 Integra. HID kits in general are NOT designed to the application - all it is (in reality) is an HID bulb. The optics of HIDs lie within the HID projector or reflector bowl and a bulb that was designed for the application. Installing an HID kit for a halogen designed projector or reflector bowl is NOT the same premise. I've seen many HID kits in projectors and reflector bowls and they all produce glare, moreso with the reflector bowls. Taken from experience, NOTHING beats OEM HIDs. Granted, a kit does produce more light, however, you're not utilizing the light properly. And what's the point of having all this light when it doesn't get projected to the road properly? |
While I do agree HID's in headlights not specifically designed for them dont produce the "precise" pattern and cut-off of a car that comes factory equipped with them. There is no denying that they do increase road visibility. I think alot of people take the notion of non-projector HID installs having ridiculous glare a little too far. I have many friends with HID's in there cars and have yet to experience the horrible glare that many people describe. I have found its worse to have a pickup such as a Dodge Ram behind you then a civic with HID's. It always seems as though the Ram has there brights on when looking in the rearview but in reality your mirror is inline with the headlights and produces a glare effect.
Also there are adjustments on most headlights to adjust the height/direction that the bulb is pointing. If there isnt provisions for this you could always add a washer under the upper headlight mount to angle it slightly down, that is if the glare is really THAT horrible. Anyways I dont want to continue rambling on but there are many options for people to choose out there and it is good for them to have info from every angle. This is a good look :) https://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c...ationsmall.jpg |
Save your money, don't buy PNP
If you ever go on TCC, you'll see the millions of complaints people have for HID PNP's. Those kits at optionjdm cost about $400-500 and some kits have 6000K+, which produces less lumens than your H4 or 9006 bulb. Aside from glare, you're only getting a different coloured bulb. Also, OEM kits and projectors/reflectors are much cheaper than kits themselves. For my car, I bought E55 AMG projectors for $210CND, and the kit for $160US, Then I purchased a spare set of Integra headlights for $70 and used those to get my bezel. The results of the beam and the brightness of the light is amazing. I suggest checking in at HIDplanet.com and keep ur eyes posted for deals. They come up all the time. You can even get a reflector, and customly retrofit that. Also, I noticed that for the DA tegs you can buy aftermarket "projector" headlights. It would be really easy if you coul just pick those up and retro the OEM projector into those since all the work's been done. OR You can use the covers of those lights and replace them with ur OEMs so that u have a clear lens, which is perfect for HID. |
Originally Posted by polak182
Save your money, don't buy PNP
If you ever go on TCC, you'll see the millions of complaints people have for HID PNP's. Those kits at optionjdm cost about $400-500 and some kits have 6000K+, which produces less lumens than your H4 or 9006 bulb. Aside from glare, you're only getting a different coloured bulb. Also, OEM kits and projectors/reflectors are much cheaper than kits themselves. For my car, I bought E55 AMG projectors for $210CND, and the kit for $160US, Then I purchased a spare set of Integra headlights for $70 and used those to get my bezel. The results of the beam and the brightness of the light is amazing. I suggest checking in at HIDplanet.com and keep ur eyes posted for deals. They come up all the time. You can even get a reflector, and customly retrofit that. Also, I noticed that for the DA tegs you can buy aftermarket "projector" headlights. It would be really easy if you coul just pick those up and retro the OEM projector into those since all the work's been done. OR You can use the covers of those lights and replace them with ur OEMs so that u have a clear lens, which is perfect for HID. As for your comparison it looks like you paid about $500CAD total for your setup and the time you had to spent retrofitting the projector housing into the headlights. I am sure your headlights look really nice but not everyone has the time or patience to do a retro. It's like some people will pay someone to build there engine or buy a pre-built engine whereas others will build it themselves in there kitchen/garage/living room/bedroom etc. |
Originally Posted by polak182
Save your money, don't buy PNP
If you ever go on TCC, you'll see the millions of complaints people have for HID PNP's. Those kits at optionjdm cost about $400-500 and some kits have 6000K+, which produces less lumens than your H4 or 9006 bulb. Aside from glare, you're only getting a different coloured bulb. Also, OEM kits and projectors/reflectors are much cheaper than kits themselves. For my car, I bought E55 AMG projectors for $210CND, and the kit for $160US, Then I purchased a spare set of Integra headlights for $70 and used those to get my bezel. The results of the beam and the brightness of the light is amazing. I suggest checking in at HIDplanet.com and keep ur eyes posted for deals. They come up all the time. You can even get a reflector, and customly retrofit that. Also, I noticed that for the DA tegs you can buy aftermarket "projector" headlights. It would be really easy if you coul just pick those up and retro the OEM projector into those since all the work's been done. OR You can use the covers of those lights and replace them with ur OEMs so that u have a clear lens, which is perfect for HID. |
Originally Posted by Stealth1
While I do agree HID's in headlights not specifically designed for them dont produce the "precise" pattern and cut-off of a car that comes factory equipped with them. There is no denying that they do increase road visibility. I think alot of people take the notion of non-projector HID installs having ridiculous glare a little too far. I have many friends with HID's in there cars and have yet to experience the horrible glare that many people describe. I have found its worse to have a pickup such as a Dodge Ram behind you then a civic with HID's. It always seems as though the Ram has there brights on when looking in the rearview but in reality your mirror is inline with the headlights and produces a glare effect.
Also there are adjustments on most headlights to adjust the height/direction that the bulb is pointing. If there isnt provisions for this you could always add a washer under the upper headlight mount to angle it slightly down, that is if the glare is really THAT horrible. Anyways I dont want to continue rambling on but there are many options for people to choose out there and it is good for them to have info from every angle. This is a good look :) http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c9...ationsmall.jpg Put the two side by side and you will see the difference. Again, reflector bowls are the worst when it comes to HID kits - I've seen them and none of them compare to a retro-fit. And I've seen these first hand, trust me. No one is saying that HIDs don't produce better light output as that is their design. But proper optics via an HID retro is the best solution than to be lazy and cheap with buying an HID kit. |
meh you just have a bad sight ;)
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my friend has h4h in his CB7. and they look awsome.
but i've never heard of techone kits so i'm not going to bash/promote them. |
Originally Posted by nautica_t YO
my friend has h4h in his CB7. and they look awsome.
but i've never heard of techone kits so i'm not going to bash/promote them. |
Originally Posted by engsr
That picture still shows some glare around the lens. And it's not glare from cars behind - it's usually from cars coming the opposite direction. And 95% of the time, people with these kits don't take into consideration the glare that blinds other drivers and DON'T adjust their headlights (that means YOU GMAN :finger: ).
Put the two side by side and you will see the difference. Again, reflector bowls are the worst when it comes to HID kits - I've seen them and none of them compare to a retro-fit. And I've seen these first hand, trust me. No one is saying that HIDs don't produce better light output as that is their design. But proper optics via an HID retro is the best solution than to be lazy and cheap with buying an HID kit.
Originally Posted by Big Hairy Gino
Weird, Ive had my Catz kit for like 4 years now and its still hasnt given me a problem (knock wood)
Originally Posted by Stealth1
I honestly havent seen any complaints on TCC about the PnP kits, could you direct me to where these are?
As for your comparison it looks like you paid about $500CAD total for your setup and the time you had to spent retrofitting the projector housing into the headlights. I am sure your headlights look really nice but not everyone has the time or patience to do a retro. It's like some people will pay someone to build there engine or buy a pre-built engine whereas others will build it themselves in there kitchen/garage/living room/bedroom etc. |
Originally Posted by polak182
Well, yeah I piad just as much as a kit cost($465 in total), and I didn't have to but the teg headlights. I did because I wanted it to look nice. I'm not done yet, because yeah, it is a long and tedious process and requires some craft skills. I had a choice of paying only $395 and had them running just as fine. I'll have pics up as soon as I'm done, and since I know a bunch of EL owners with PNP's, I'm gonna put em up next to a wall and compare the cutoff and glare(If the lens will pick it up. Note: I am using the OEM spec 4600K bulbs, so don't expect purple tint. That's what the flicker is there for. OEM bulbs don't need to be hot to look sexy :yeah:
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Originally Posted by Stealth1
Definitely would like to see pics of your retro when your done. I believe the flicker you see with oncoming BMW's etc is the shield on the bulb/lens moving from the bulbs in the road. How many hours do you have into your retro?
Also, when you mean BMW's etc, you mean HID Projectors. My uncle has a 03 TL and the mean is from a reflector. He has a cutoff produced by the headlights that's very sharp, but if you see one driving down the road, the car lacks the flicker. So you may look into getting a projector if you want the flicker. Just some pics I decided would help you better understand what I was saying: Cutoff on an HID projector: http://chapmann-motorsports.com/imag...img04703rx.jpg The Glass Prism: http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/guides/...gifs/more2.gif More info on different projectors: http://forums.clubel.ca/showthread.php?t=22416 As for hours into my retro...It's hard to say since I personally haven't done it yet, but if you have a spare set of headlights, and everything you need, it may take about a day or two, depending on how fast you work. ABout 6 hours a day, so a total of 12 hours. It's mainly the aiming that takes long, as well as the baking the headlights and sealing them back up. Cutting out your refelctor isn't that hard if you have a dremmel, and mounting the projector in itself if pretty easy. It's just 3 screws per headlight. If you want it to like pretty, like 99% of the people doing a retro do...then you'll want bezels and shrouds to cover up the projector. 94-01 integra headlights can do the trick, you can probably pick some up at the junkyard. If you're inventive, you can smash the headlight and just take em out. Canadian tire also sells range covers, which are chrome bowls to do the trick. Depending on how much money you really feel like putting into this. Also do you want high and low beam or just low? If so, it will be cheaper since the bi-xenon projectors cost a bit more. Wiring on those isn't that trick though, so it won't take longer to do the setup if you're concerned about time. Hope that helps... |
Originally Posted by Stealth1
I believe the flicker you see with oncoming BMW's etc is the shield on the bulb/lens moving from the bulbs in the road.
EDIT - major delay in posting. I didn't see the above post before I posted this. |
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