SHort Ram better?!
 

need to change the air intake, guys, what do you think, to get a short ram one? or get a set that goes down to the bottom? i am affraid of the dust and the water.....
if i get a short ram air intake, do i still need to remove the resonator that hides in front of the right tire?
please advise! Thank You!

from my hydro lock experience i would suggest short ram....

hmm it says over all the set that goes down to the bottom gives more gain than the short ram. but im thinking of getting short ram intake

short ram

funny tho.. s2k has short ram, but i upgraded to cold air
and Type-R comes with Cold air, and upgrading to short ram
confusing

here read this and it should give you a good idea
http://www.gassavers.org/showthread.php?t=244

my car made more power on the dyno with a short ram compared to a cold-air.

CAI, unless you want heat soak.

heat soak on a n/a car?!??!....riiiiiiiight.

CAI's are nice if you don't mind cleaning your filter every 3 months, especially on winter driven cars. I had a CAI on my car for like 2 years, until i made more power on the dyno with the 3" no-name SRI with k&n filter. I never had any problems with it suckin up water though, and i drove with the CAI installed all year round.

Yes, on an n/a car you momo.

Heat soak has to do with the heat produced in the engine bay. It has nothing to do with whether or not the car is N/A or Turbo. A short ram intake will heatsoak much easier.

Oh by the way for zman who seems to know everything. Yes the short ram probably made more power up top but, for most people, who aren't dyno queens and don't give a ---- about peak numbers and are more concerned with the midrange they get, will go with a good quality CAI.

A few runs on the dyno won't really show ---- since it's hard to produce real driving conditions but close that hood with a short ram under it and start driving and I guarantee you will not be making that extra power.

Then again it's so little of a difference that it's not even worth mentioning.

Difference is so minimal, does it even matter.:dunno:

I'd choose a short ram since, as already mentioned, won't get mucked up frequently.

Stock is good.

Intakes are nothing but noise.

heat soak to me, is when the IAT sensor gets so hot, and takes a very long time to cool down, common on turbo cars, i notice very high IAT sensor logs that take a while to drop while tuning turbo cars, very rarely see it on n/a cars, on the dyno or not.
Yes, a SRI will suck up all this hot air from under the hood...when the car is sittin still, but as soon as you start moving, all of the cooler air from under the car fills the engine bay and you're no longer sucking up hot air, getting "heat soaked".
My car is far from a dyno queen, and i too myself was more concerned power under the curve than peak numbers, we all know peak numbers don't mean ----, but pull after pull, the SRI outperformed the CAI all day, and everyones all about dyno proof, right, so calm down, all i expressed was my real life experiences....jeez.

i'm considering just cutting my cai into a short ram actually.. already have a good aem filter, piping, etc.. just dremel it shorter :P

and heat soak doesn't really matter when driving, as mentioned, so much cool air coming into the engine bay that it's really a non-issue

then again, so is the cai vs short ram power difference.. i just want my filter easier accessible and further off the ground for a daily (not that i've had an issue, but i'm thinking of getting h&r race instead of sport springs) :P

Heatsoak is actually a term used to describe the point at which an intercooler cannot sufficiently cool the pressurized charge air produced by a turbo or supercharger.

i used to have a Short ram prefer it since u do not have to worry about water getting in your engine with a cold air intake

have a icebox from comtech. love it. i clean the filter like i normally do. dont have to worry about hydro. or getting it wet when i clean the engine bay =D

if you want to save. just get the bottom half of the comptech icebox and use the stock intake arm. they go for about 150~ from what ive seen. or you take your stock pipes and make your own ice box. theres a DIY on TI thats free =D.
but w/ the icebox you dont get the nice tone you get from a ram air. but u do end up getting cold air intake w/ out worryin about how often to clean the filter or hydro issues.

or get AEM w/ bypass valve cai. that can solve your hydro problem but would still need to clean your filter pretty often.

i personally think cai is better then short/ram air intake.

Their seems to be more problems with SRI for example the rain seems to reduce its effectiveness, plus the cold air intake seems to work and give it a stronger sound. Even thou it doesn't really improve horsepower much CAI will do that more then SRI.

with my experience ...

short ram= better response
cold air = slower response but increased hp in top end, but only like if any 5 hp.

i run short ram for my purpose of track. out the box response imo.. you can cut sheet metal and make a block off for the filter so it doesnt heat soak if your that concerned. though a lot of people may argue cai gets the numbers, its all about driver preference.

Injen CAI!!!

my first intake was a CAI and it took a beating, so i cut it down to short ram. then bought a used short ram because the piping was bigger. dropping in a whale penis next.

short ram

ok everything im about to say is from a dyno proven point of view, where i have been next to dyno computers and seen the difference on the graphs. But this is aimed only towards you vtec guys, everybody with a b18a/b disregard, for you guys either one will be the same ---- to be honest. Now a short ram intake generally is larger diameter piping right? So when you are booting ure vtec motor from 1000rpm to around 4000rpm, the response wont be the same because the pressure in your short ram tube will be significantly less than CAI(who's tubing is usually smaller diameter). So at this point u CAI is dominating and getting better lower to mid range power. BUT as soon as your cam profile switches over to high and your intake valves start to open up larger and for a longer duration(lift) thats when the true potential of a short ram is seen. Your intake valves after vtec will eat air like no tomorrow and you will be glad you have short ram. But that doesnt mean CAI is bad here, you are still getting more power than stock BUT not as much as short ram, probably a 2-3 hp difference. So as you can see this is the true difference, you probably wont even notice or feel but its what it is. non-vtec motors should be fine with CAI alone and have a better throttle response all through the smaller rpm range.

but when u do dynos your hood is fully open and have fans pushing air into your car no?

doesnt that play factors comapared to daily drivinng and a lil bit of a vacume envorioment on a hot day under the hood? .. just wondering

Injen CAI FTW .... i've always heard about CAI's pickin up water but I don't think that Canadian streets get flooded .... how else would the intake pick up water then ?

Negative, Mugen Intake FTW!

Its the best of both worlds.

doesnt mean ---- if your hood is fully open in dynos, the fan pushing air is gonna simulate your car driving through air anyway. The only difference i could see with ure hood open would be short ram intakes wouldnt be heat soaked and less powerful than on a hot day with ure hood down.

your intake tube would have to literally be submerged for a few seconds for any water to reach ure throttle body and then u would have to be flooring it for the butterfly to be fully open... i think Toronto isnt too bad when it rains, mississauga has its areas though

Drop-in K&N filter into stock airbox + resonator removed FTMFW

^yup thats it! u got ureself an instant heat sheild plus cold air from your bumper :)

I would go with a AEM cold air

If you want noise then:

Short ram - rev to high rpm's and then start hearing the actual intake or
cold air - don't have to rev. as high as the short ram and you can hear it!

I have a short ram, and IMO they work the best on stock motors unless you have like a SKUNK2 INtake manifold then go with something bigger but otherwise you don't need it!

once again... PIPING DIAMETER MATTERS based on vtec or no vtec.... otherwise WHO ------- GIVES A ----!