JUN 3 Cams - Price reasonable?
Last weekend i priced out JUN 3 cams for my GSR build.. i was given a price of $2500 for the kit or $2300 for just the cams... is this a resonable price?
My only other option is SK2 P2 since i already have the SK2 valvetrain.. Thanks |
Thats a rediculous price, just get some Skunk2 stage 3 cames.
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the JUN 3's and Sk2 Pro 2's are very simular profiles.... i guess the difference is in the quality and "name"..
I got a price of $1400 for the SK2's that the norm? or am i gettin ripped? |
I can get u sk2 pro 3's for $900, ur getting ass raped big time.
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Skunk 2 Stage 2 and Jun 3 Cams are very similar.
Skunk 2 Pro 2's are huge cams and require atleast 12.5+ compression ratio. They're not the same as the Stage 2's at all. Dude your getting raped on that price. |
Thanks... i know not to shop there now.....
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oops.
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Originally Posted by WildoutWhiteGSR
Skunk 2 Stage 2 and Jun 3 Cams are very similar.
Skunk 2 Pro 2's are huge cams and require atleast 12.5+ compression ratio. They're not the same as the Stage 2's at all. Dude your getting raped on that price. |
thanks for the info... does anyone have a set of the SK2 P2 or P1? im interested in the Cams ABDC timing......
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It's hard to find much info on them, but the Pro1's open at 48 degree's. +- a degree depending on cam gear settings. I'm not sure on the Pro 2's.
Pro I+ for B series INTAKE lift- 12.6 mm, duration 264 @ 1mm EXHAUST lift - 11.9 mm, duration 264 @ 1mm There huge cams though. Basically in stages from least aggresive to most aggresive in the Skunk 2 lineup, it goes -> Stage 1's, Stage 2's, Stage 3's, Pro 1's, Pro 2's and Pro 3's. Helpful links http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1338293 http://www.team-integra.net/forum/di...urnPage=Search http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1382008 http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1135465 http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1141681 |
Friend of mine just started to carry skunk 2 and crower products, crower stage 2's $250US plus shipping, If you're interested throw me a PM.
All his skunk 2 products are alittle more then the crower but not by much, Definatly under $450US |
You'd need a pretty built motor to run the pro 1s or 2s. With that amount of lift, you'd have to be checking retainers for wear every often too.
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John at Option has a good deals Buddy Club Spec4s with full spring and retainer kit.
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BC3+'s/BC4's are probably your best bet if.i recently saw a B20V make 244whp with Blox B's (S2S2's). if you want good usable street power BC3+/BC4 is the way to go. these two cams makes rediculous amounts of midrange, with the 4's making monter top end to boot. BC3+'s will still domintate S2S2's/Box B's up tp 8K. if its a rev happy motors your are building(9K), Blox B's/BC4's are good. if its a daily driver,(8200-8600rpm) BC3+. lastly, aftermarket valvetrain is required for all of these suggested cams.
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its B18c 85mm..11.5:1 (only have 91 octane where i live)
the cams i have, have a ABDC of 56' that way to compression hungry (at least 11.8 min) and an LSA of 106' amazing up top ---- for bottom.... i was looking at the JUN 3 since the low cams are some what "stagared" as the CAT's i have are not. if Pro 2's or 1's have a ABDC of less than 50' then im still making good cyl pressure... and dynamic compression this motor will be run up to 9300.. i have full sk2 valve trainand S/S valves.. im accually looking for a less agressive cam than i have now... |
For that compression I'd be looking at BloxB/Skunk 2 Stage 2's like nightstick said. Jun 3's or Buddy Club Spec 3's.
The buddy club's being the best bang for the buck. It also depends on what kinda peak numbers your looking for? Also listing your setup would help out a lot. |
ive been throught the whole "list" and the "goal" thing many many many times. and i HAVE done my home work..... henace why i was looking for the acuracy of the pricing i had got on the JUN 3's and the SK2 S2's.....
Thanks for all the info .... |
Originally Posted by xtant_man
its B18c 85mm..11.5:1 (only have 91 octane where i live)
the cams i have, have a ABDC of 56' that way to compression hungry (at least 11.8 min) and an LSA of 106' amazing up top ---- for bottom.... i was looking at the JUN 3 since the low cams are some what "stagared" as the CAT's i have are not. if Pro 2's or 1's have a ABDC of less than 50' then im still making good cyl pressure... and dynamic compression this motor will be run up to 9300.. i have full sk2 valve trainand S/S valves.. im accually looking for a less agressive cam than i have now... |
Originally Posted by xtant_man
this motor will be run up to 9300.. i have full sk2 valve trainand S/S valves.. im accually looking for a less agressive cam than i have now... |
being that to use 85mm pistions i had to sleve the block my cyl walls arent "to thin" IMO... and im using "H"-beam rods too...so far i havent had a problem.....
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^^^ yeah it's been on there for awhile now.
It's not quite a accurate comparison though. Buddy Club Spec 3 is made for use with ITR valvesprings and around 10.6 compression. Skunk 2 Pro 1's require aftermarket valvesprings and around 12.5 compression. see where I'm going.... |
oh i understand there are too many variables to make this camparison accurate... i found that it was interessting that they choose to compare the BC3+ vs. the Sk2P1...
as as usual with most cam comparisons it the missing info as to what motor and its mods(i/h/e/CR/RR..etc) for both cams...... |
Setup
97 JDM ITR Spoon Headgasket Supertech Flat Faced Valves Toda Header RC 310 Injectors Both setups tuned Blox B's are RED BC3+'s are BLUE https://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2...CIII_small.jpg 2000 JDM ITR Motor JDM ITR taper bored 70->66 AEBS Intake Manifold RC 310 Injectors 2.5" Exhaust Sytem SMSP Header (Buddy Club Cams) AN-R Header (Skunk 2 Stage 1 Cams) Blue = Skunk 2 Stage 1 Red = Buddy Club Spec 3 http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MXk1NDE%3D.jpg Blue is JDM ITR motor + I/H/E + BC3+ cams (11:1 CR) Red is JDM ITR motor + I/H/E + Rocket m22x cams (11:1 CR) Green is JDM ITR motor + I/H/E + Toda B cams (12:1 CR) Purple is JDM ITR motor + I/H/E + ITR cams (11:1 CR) BC3+ cams graph and m22x cams graph are the same '00 JDM ITR motor. Toda B cams are on diffferent '00 JDM ITR with stock block and milled head. Stock ITR cams are on a '99 JDM ITR. Boltons are different for each motor but they are mostly high end parts. The BC3+ and the M22x graph are the exact same motor with the exact same supporting mods. SMSP header, velocity stack intake, 2.5" exhaust, overbored ITR TB, AEBS IM, RC 310. Both tuned with hondata s200. http://www.lukewilcox.com/Dyno/dynostuff.jpg 86mm bore x 87mm stroke 11.5~12:1 compression Portflow cnc ported pr3 head, spot faced combustion chambers to 86mm RM springs/retainers Ferrea Standard size valves TWM 52mm ITB's DTR Fab 2.0 liter header 2.5" exhaust Neptune tuned Solid lines are the Pro1's Dotted lines are the M22's. http://www.evans-tuning.com/dynos/Ro...Pro1graph2.jpg |
Thanks for the charts... i apreciate it..
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BC3+s definately have a flatter curve which is more useful for my app. Much more usable and road racer friendly. I was amazed at how much power the car had pulling me out of corners. I'm more than willing to give us some top end for torque and mid-range
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