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TypeR1268 03-11-2006 06:31 PM

Heads + Test pipe combo.. HP gains?
 
Hey guys,

Im thinking of keepn the R and just moding the F*$# outta it slowly.

Im thinkin Hytech headers, and a test pipe.. along with my AEM CAI..


What would the HP gains possibly be with all that restriction removed.

WildoutWhiteGSR 03-11-2006 07:51 PM

AEM 3" Intake, Hytech Header, Test Pipe and 2.5" Cat-back exhaust around 20whp...


EDIT -

Dyno Chart

Light Blue - Stock
Dark Red/Dark Blue - JDM DC 4-1 Header
Light Green - Hytech Untuned
Light Red - Hytech Tuned

http://members.cox.net/teamintegra/hytechdyno1.jpg

Another Hytech Dyno

Dyno Testing

Car facts -
Comptech icebox and intake
Mugen headgasket(no correction to cam gears, roughly at -1.5, -1.5)
Hondata intake manifold gasket, street setup

Run#33 - Testing was done as delivered...just hoping on the dyno and seeing what the car put out.

Run#35 - Just bolted on the HyTech header and HyTech exhaust, test pipe was used.

Run#48 - tuned Hondata and cam gears, realized that the injectors were at 101% duty cycle after 1 run with the hondata, added an FPR to increase fuel, currently at ~75psi, hose off.

Cut and Paste Link in new browser

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...0.jpg.orig.jpg

tdot2gteg 03-11-2006 11:47 PM

[QUOTE=TypeR1268]Hey guys,

Im thinking of keepn the R and just moding the F*$# outta it slowly.

QUOTE]

wut else would you do??

stock header and header back is already pretty good on it. i wouldnt go bigger. if you want put a test pipe on but youll have to switch back and forth when doing e-tests. and if there isnt flanges thatll be a pain in the ass. id go with a good highflow cat. test pipe may be too much flow. and youre low end will get even worse. id do mostly intake. cai, bore out your tb maybe P&P stuff like that. underdrive crank pulley and lightweight flywheel. pretty sure itr flywheels are already lighweight but aftermarket will always be even better. btw your title says "heads". you didnt mention anything about head work

HyBrId 03-12-2006 12:11 AM

^^ not head work...Hytech headers, and a test pipe

born2board69 03-12-2006 12:26 AM

tdot2gteg, what are you talkin about man

Header back system will be defiantly noticeable gains and a good start to modifcation, i mean yea the type R is a little less restrictive then a LS or GSR set up but still it is restrictive, throwing on a 2.5' header back system will for sure be a noticeable difference. For basic bolt on thats the best you can do. Especially going with a header like Hytech, i remember looking at some dynos on team-integra and it was quite a gain indeed just as T was saying.

dc24me 03-12-2006 01:17 AM

^^

he has a type R, not a cavalier, asking specifically about a header and test pipe combo. i agree with you on the cat, but where do you come up with all rest of your stupidly retarded suggestions like a bored out throttle body and underdrive pulley?

WildoutWhiteGSR 03-12-2006 01:14 PM

[QUOTE=tdot2gteg]

Originally Posted by TypeR1268
Hey guys,

Im thinking of keepn the R and just moding the F*$# outta it slowly.

QUOTE]

wut else would you do??

stock header and header back is already pretty good on it. i wouldnt go bigger. if you want put a test pipe on but youll have to switch back and forth when doing e-tests. and if there isnt flanges thatll be a pain in the ass. id go with a good highflow cat. test pipe may be too much flow. and youre low end will get even worse. id do mostly intake. cai, bore out your tb maybe P&P stuff like that. underdrive crank pulley and lightweight flywheel. pretty sure itr flywheels are already lighweight but aftermarket will always be even better. btw your title says "heads". you didnt mention anything about head work

Half of the ---- you say must be coming out of your ass. Please explain on a test pipe offers "too much flow"?

How is a stock itr header anywhere near good?

What would a bigger throttle body do for him if the intake manifold can't hold anymore air? Thus being the restrictive part.

Underdrive crank pulley's don't make power, all they do is add to something else that can ---- up on your car.

15lbs maybe light compared to other teg models, but in no way is it a lightweight flywheel.

WildoutWhiteGSR 03-12-2006 01:48 PM

Popular Brand Header Test

http://www.daliracing.com/v666-5/inf...eader_test.cfm

Other Header Dyno's

http://www.team-integra.net/sections...bdbd9a879a.jpg

http://www.team-integra.net/sections...6ea63b527b.jpg


http://www.team-integra.net/sections...47a99ccd99.jpg

Throttle Body Dyno

http://www.importreview.com/reviews/TB62vs68.html

Where's all this power you speak of? Let's all run out and bore our throttle bodies bigger.

Just in case you didn't know this either, all dyno's have a error factor of 1-2% which means, even if you didn't change a thing and did back to back dyno runs you'd get different figures. And in this case that's well within that error range.

High Flow Cat vs Test Pipe

http://www.team-integra.net/misc/ima...vscat2-med.jpg

WildoutWhiteGSR 03-12-2006 01:55 PM

Lighten Flywheel Info - taken from Team-Integra

First of all, the motor will make the same amount of torque, regardless of the weight of the flywheel, the gearing or the weight of the vehicle. Torque is merely the amount of rotational force the motor can generate. Period.

The Flywheel Stone: A Fable by Neo

For this example, let's take a massive 500 lb. granite grindstone. That's going to be our flywheel. Now, let's say it's hooked up to a large crank with a long handle. There's 10 guys standing there turning that handle and spinning the grindstone. (From this point on, the grindstone will be known as the "flywheel stone") On the other side, we're going to take another 200 lb. disc, the same diameter as the grindstone, and it will later press against the face of the grindstone. This other disc is going to represent the clutch and we will put a load on it, say, a large arm that goes into a vat of molassas. So there's going to be a lot of resistance to keep this clutch disc from rotating. Ok, we have the situation set up, right?

Because the flywheel stone is 500 lbs., once it's in motion, it's gonna want to stay in motion. That's the law of inertia and momentum. When that clutch disc is pressed against the flywheel stone, it's going to 1) slow down the speed at which the flywheel stone is spinning by putting a load on it, and 2) accelerate to the speed at which the flywheel stone is spinning because of the momentum of the weight of the flywheel stone. The ten guys spinning the flywheel stone won't have to work as hard to keep it in motion and the molassas begins to get mixed.

However, now we have a new problem. The arm going into the vat of molassas is moving slowly, and instead of mixing it, it's only gently stirring it. So now, we need the 10 guys to speed up the stirring arm by increasing the speed of the flywheel stone. Easier said than done. Whereas the momentum of the heavy flywheel stone worked to their benefit when the clutch disc was dumped on it, it's now working against them when they're trying to accelerate the flywheel stone. It's just so darn heavy that it takes them much more effort to get it to accelerate.

A lighter flywheel stone would have been harder to keep in motion when the clutch disc was "dumped" on it, however, they could have compensated for that simply by spinning the flywheel stone a littler faster before dumping the clutch disc on it. There still would have been a drop in velocity, but it would have made accelerating the mixing arm a lot easier after the initial "clutch dump" because less weight would have resulted in less load, which would have translated to less rotational resistance.

So, after this long winded story on how weight affects the rotational speed of the flywheel stone and it's ability to turn the clutch stone and mixing arm, what have we learned?

We have learned that, in both processes, we had the same 10 guys, making the same amount of power and torque, to rotate the damn flywheel stone.

The power output never changed. Now, the important thing is to find a balance. Where the flywheel has enough weight to carry enough momentum on the launch (Which can be accomodated for by spinning it at a higher rpm to begin with.), and where it's light enough so that it takes less effort to increase the speed of it's rotation...

TypeR1268 03-12-2006 04:05 PM

Thanks guys :)


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