Stugatts

K guys, i been thinking for a while now about what to do for performance in my teg. Its a factory gsr, and i am using this winter to plan the best setup because i don't want to change sh*t around.

All motor - GS (intake,cams + gears, manifold, exhaust etc.)
All Motor - K series ( k20a - intake,cams + gears, manifold, exhaust etc.)
Boost - GSr (peakboost turbo kit, 11 psi, etc.)

My goal is to have a 12 sec street car, on street tires, + im gutting the A/c and PS, along with other uneccessary weight.

Please give me advice based on personal experinces or knowledge, the last thing i need is some kid telling me
" Str8 up Yo slam DaT BaDaZZ K in da B**ch MaN"

Stugatts

well money is an issue but its not like i need it done by summer im saying in the end i want a 12 sec or less car whats the best route to get there is my question. i also have a civic im selling in the summer that should net me about $2800 bucks so thats all for my teg.

zman

BOOOOOOOOOOST!!!!

Easiest way to go fast for as little money as possible.

Stugatts

k boost the K or the B?

Nawaaz

boost the b... its easier

turboda4dr

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boost ftw

Stugatts

i was thinking of the peakboost b series turbo kit with no A/c or PS, on the site they say a stock GSr with this kit at around 17 psi makes around 420 to the wheels. I obvisuoly know this motor wont last long but i wud do intenrals as well. Does any1 have this kit or a similar kit and know of its reliability?

Buff4Prez Yo

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17psi on stock internals isn't a good idea

Nawaaz

^ My thoughts exactly... im thinkin of boosting my b18 in my DA... but nothing huge.. like 6-7psi.. I just want one for the sounds

turboda4dr

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stock gsr internals r good for 10psi i think. if u have a really good tuner maybe 11 or 12, but at 10 psi u have plenty power n alot of fun

Stugatts

oh ye? well i was gonna upgrade the internals too bc i want to run different boost levels ie. driving, or racing. im sure with a boost controller n a greddy turbo controller this is possible is it not?

Buff4Prez Yo

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ya but i don't think it's that easy.

slvr_dc2

^^agreed...the easiest would be to play with this car, ie have a car for racing...and then have a car for everyday driving...you don't want to be putting in a lot of money into an everyday car..especially when you have to park outside somewhere...

This is assuming you want to do your car up hard...investing a lot of money..better take the safe route than not..

turboda4dr

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if u really want a street/track car,than u have to build the bottom end with quality parts. its also good idea to get head work with quality valve parts n valve job. my car is fully build except for sleeving, its not a daily but also not full track/race, on regular days i run 10psi 330whp on track i turn up to 20psi 430-450whp with no probs. just to let u know u will need to spend some money to get it like that.also my car still have working a/c n p/s. the bottom line is how much u willing to spend n be realistic with ur goals.hope this helps n good luck

Stugatts

thanks, well my car isnt a daily driver, i mean i bring her to school once in a while but never winter driven and i only get caught in the rain with it, i usually don't take it out. How much did it cost you to get ur bottom end done and what parts did you use?

Torqueless_In_Toronto

I dont think any of those options with get you into the 12's on regular street tires, if you have a perfect running GSR then you should run a 15.4 stock. So you need to shave off at least 2.5secs. By far the cheapest way is to boost it, and maybe add some NOS, I would almost prefer boosting a normal LS though. And at this stage you will have severe traction/clutch/axle issues

A well done up K20 (the K20 mods in your post will only be good for a mid 13 at best) will do it on drag radials, but it will also cost you at least 10G's

turboda4dr

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djtrini

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Although the Stock GSR engine can handle abit more abuse than 10 PSi, as others have posted above, get yourself some ARP or Golden eagle Head studs, and run a great tune on 10 PSI. yes the engine will handle more, but how long will it last?

All depends on your driving habbits really, if you like to get on it WOT alot, 10psi will be fine w/ good tune.

12 psi ++ on common WOT runs, the motor is bound to give up on you sooner than you want it too.

If your going boost do it right the first time and make it your business to Know EVERYTHING involved in running a proplerly tuned/running Boosted Honda motor!

There are alot of guides/write ups floating around the net on how to do so. Research is your friend, and will save you great headache.


My Minimum req List I would run on a stock boosted set up is:

OEM honda headgasket
Arp Headstuds
Del sol/SIR OEM honda Dual core radiator w/ electric slim fan
Oil catch can/Crank ventalation system
Minimum 2.5" exhaust
Minimum 550cc Injectors
OEM Honda distributor/ OEM NGK spark plug wires (personal Pref)
Gauges:
Boost/Oil pressure/ Wideband O2 sensor
Chrome/Neptune engine management

Stock clutch will not be your friend! upgrade is deff needed! Competition clutch makes some great clutch kits, feel like stock.... and hold up to 600whp depending on which Stage you get.

just off the top of my head!

Stugatts

thnks alot i appreciate ur input and clearly it sounds like you know what your talking about.

turboda4dr

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ya; arp is a must,lsd help alot too

96GSR

Why do you mention psi when you haven't talked about a turbo? Running 12psi off of a gt42r vs a tiny t28 based turbo is going to give you a huge difference!

Rest is right on the money.

You'll also need suspension and traction upgrades to put the power down.

djtrini

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ok we will leave it in terms in HP.

ON stock block/sleeve GSR. 300WHP is the most i'd Daily drive on. Lets also not forget the Map sensor! For anything over 10lb of boost you will need a different map sensor. Motorola 2.5 Bar Map Sensor is very good.

I use it personally on my set up see here:

https://www.torontointegras.ca/forum...ad.php?t=30165


My car makes 505WHP and 360FT pounds @ 21 psi from a Garrett GT35R.
Daily driven at 445WHP 320ft pounds TQ @ 18PSI

I personally chose to go with a larger turbo as I like the response of the car better that way, I can drive out of boost whenever I want, I use a USDM Type R transmission whice compliments my choice in the larger turbo with its short gear ratio..........so If I do decide to Pin the gas "WOT" I have almost instant full boost right away!

Stugatts

icici, how much did your system cost you? and would you mind gfiving me a spec list of the item su have because 445whp at 320 ftlb is what i want for a dialy driver lol

smith_customs

how much

djtrini

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6k I have easily invested into turbo PARTS alone, not including engine/engine internals/Engine Assembly

There is easily over $12k invested Into the ENGINE/turbo set up alone, not including cost of the car.

djtrini

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If I had to start all over again........i'd probably be starting with this:

http://www.theoldone.com/articles/Diesel_Head/index.htm

1999_ITR

I would go Turbo if I were you. If your goal is just to hit 12's then go that route.

For the guy that said mid 13's with a K20 with the mods he listed(cams, intake, blah blah) you are wrong. My 1999 GS-R at full weight before the carbon fibre hood, hatch and lexan windows with JDM K20A with only SSR/DTR 4-2-1 race header, Custom 3" CAI with velocity stack, 2.5" mandrel exhaust and K-Pro tuned, netted me a 13.0 on street tires and mid 12's on slicks.

My car is a not set up for drag, it's a roadrace car and I am not a drag racer so someone with more skill at launching could have netted better times I'm sure.

Overall though the K swap is expensive and if all you are looking for is to go 12's then I suggest boosting the GS-R motor.

Stugatts

thanks for your input, nice dc if that is yours in your pic!

1999_ITR

No problem, dollar for dollar you won't beat boost. And thank you, yes that is my car in the pic.

Stugatts

would you say it's worth it to remove ps and a/c? this car is my baby used daily in the summer (when im in close aproximation to it) as well i usually only take it out at night during the summer lol